I know its not sheffield but just want a second opinion please.

Frank Taylor was born 20 May 1898 in Surfleet, Lincs.

Having just gone back on this tree that I have not touched for ages I had that his mother was Julia A Taylor, Frank was illegit.

I am trying to think now why I had got Julia as his mother as she was born in 1870 and I am sure I have found a marriage for her.

I haver found a baptism for Frank saying that he was the son of Harriet, Julia had a sister called Harriet so I am trying to get my head around why I had not put Harriet down on the tree all those years ago andwhy had I put Julia.

Besides being a silly billy and daft (yes I will admit at times I am) why would I have put Julia as his mother in the first place.

The only thing I can think of is that there were two Frank Taylors born illegit circa 1898 to mothers called Harriet.

Anyone else have any ideas please?

John,


Have you checked the GRO Index? Then his parents marriage. Does that fit.

Come on now you can do it as well as I can. Thats part of family history using the old grey matter. LOL.

Take care Elaine.

I think my brain cells are beyond grey now.

I am sure his mother was not Julia because I have found a marriage of her prior to 1898.

The baptism I found says harriet was mother and she later married a george Berrand.

The GRO gives no mother,s maiden name.

My matter is rattling in thinking. that Frank was 6 years old when he was baptised hence why I thought his mother was Julia but obviously I must be mistaken.

I just need a second opinion on is the Frank who married Laura Dickinson the Frank that was baptised in 1898 with mother Harriet

Name Frank Taylor
Sex Male
Age 2
Birth Year (Estimated) 1899
Birthplace Surfleet, Lincolnshire
Relationship to Head of Household Grand Son
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England
Event Place Note Stock House Lane
Sub-District Gosberton
Household Identifier 3950011
Record Type Household
Page Number 4
Piece/Folio 15
Schedule Type 23
Other People on This Record
John Taylor M 55
Wyberton, Lincolnshire
Name John Taylor
Sex Male
Age 55
Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Birthplace Wyberton, Lincolnshire
Marital Status Married
Occupation THRESHING MACHINE LABOURER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship Code Head
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England
Event Place Note Stock House Lane
Sub-District Gosberton
Household Identifier 3950011
Record Type Household
Page Number 4
Piece/Folio 15
Schedule Type 23
Harriet Taylor F 56
Algarkirk, Lincolnshire
Harriet Taylor F 25
Surfleet, Lincolnshire
Ellen Taylor F 15
Surfleet, Lincolnshire
May Taylor F 10
Surfleet, Lincolnshire
Ernest Taylor M 11
Surfleet, Lincolnshire
Gertrude G Taylor F 8
Surfleet, Lincolnshire
George Barrand M 30
Surfleet, Lincolnshire Looks like Harriet was his mother.

Cheers Barry must recheck the original as I wonder if Gertrude was hers too. Never noticed George Barrand on that. Harriet married him in 1903. Frank Taylor had a son in 1924 who was killed in wwii but not found that death yet. Frank Taylor born 1898 married Laura dickinson in 1919 Laura was the sister of my great grandmother

Hi John,

Birth Q3 1892 Spalding area. Gertrude Green Taylor. MMN was Taylor.

Baptism 15 May 1898 Surfleet: Gertrude Green Taylor, parents Harriett and John (labourer) of Surfleet. She was listed as their granddaughter in both 1901 and 1911.

Julia Ann married William Staples in April 1894. Newspaper reports in September and November 1894 says he had deserted her. He'd assaulted her shortly after their marriage and she'd had to go home to live with her mother. He'd then gone back to living with his ex girlfriend. The newspaper said the case would be held in camera "as some very unpleasant evidence would have to be submitted."

Julia was still living apart from her husband in 1901 but was still using the name Staples. She died in 1907.

Heths

Heather, thank you so much for this, I did notice gertrude Green Taylor MMN Taylor so I was wondering is she was another daughter of either Harriet or one of her sisters and that the baptism info is wrong or could the John be a John Green?

How sad about Julia. You dont hink she died from injuries sustained in another assault do you?

Harriett, mother of Frank, I have found her parents marriage details her mother was Harriet Booth who in 1862 married William Gibson and he died in 1867 and then Harriet remarried, FMP have the transcription wrong for her father.

Frank Taylor born 1924 (son of Frank born 1898) died in WWII I tried to find info on CWGC website but unable too are any details on any well known websites for him?

John

John
Are you aware that on CWGC you can search by age at death, and often for each person you find you can click on MORE DETAILS and there you will frequently find their next of kin.
Using that you can identify your Frank Taylor born Q4 1924.
You need to understand that he will have been called up on his 18th birthday in Q4 1942. Therefore if he died in 1943 before Q4 he would have been 18, if he died in 1844 before Q4 he would have been 19 and if he died in 1845 before Q4 he would have been 20.
On CWGC for Frank Taylor there are 2 deaths in 1844 age 19 and 2 in 1845 age 20. He must be one of those. 3 of them can be eliminated because their NoK is recorded. This leaves just one.
Sorry, CWGC currently down so only have some details in my head. He was Frank Taylor died 1944 age 19. He was Northampton Regiment 2nd Batt. His number is there. He has no known grave and is commemorated on the Cassino Memorial, Italy. There is no NoK recorded for him.
Dave

Cheers dave the one in the Northampton regiment I had eliminated him as going off my head I had found Frank Taylor at wellingborough on 1939 register with his parents who were not the ones on my tree but will recheck to make sure not made an error

BTW why would Frank Taylor be on the GRO index twice with the exact same page and volume info?

The one born 1924 I am on about

Hi John

Which site are you looking at for the 1924 birth? On FMP he only comes up once, using MMN Dickinson.

Ref Julia's death, I couldn't find any newspaper report of a further assault. My immediate thought abut the baptism for Gertrude was that her grandparents might have had her baptised as their own, to avoid the stigma of her birth being illegit.

Heths

sorry for late reply just got in from work....the birth was on the GRO website ie the one where you order certificates from.

what I might do is try and contact the church at Surfleet to see if they have a war memorial with Franks name on it.

John, there were 2 Frank Taylors from Northamptonshire Regiment They died one day apart and had different id numbers. How did you eliminate both of them?
Dave

I discovered that the nok information in the CGWC record depended upon the family replying to a letter sent after the war. So they may have known a contact but not received a reply, for whatever reason. I believe it can still be added if you have proof.