I am trying to establish a family connection to Joseph Rutter, Northumberland Fusiliers, who was KIA in WW1 died 20 Sep 1917.
Could someone find him in the 1911 Census please and give me the names of his family members.
My maternal Grandfather's brother, Edgar Robinson, married a Mary Rutter in 1918
The Rutters were a Handsworth / Richmond family

what year was Joseph born please?

Hi John

There is a Joseph born 1884 in Sheffield, I think that's my man !

Roger

Will see if I can find his army records and death on cwgc website. When Mary married how old was she? Presume you think Joseph and Mary are brother and sister

Commonwealth War Graves Commission has no kin details. But includes service number 16227.
Ancestry has:
UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 for Joseph Rutter
The image has the matching name, number & death date. Plus some references in the To Whom Authorised column (payments)
5-4-18 Mo Mary
5-4-18 Sis Eva
5-4-18 Bro Charles
5-4-18 Sis Alice
5-4-18 Sis Mrs Bertha E Hammond
All in black ink.

Then in red ink:
13-11-19 Mo Mary

Sorry, the black ink list also included
Sis Mary.

John Rutter Married Mary Hobson Sheffield q1 1875.
All those named brothers and sisters are on gro index between 1875 and 1895 all with mmn Hobson. Joseph born 1884, sister Mary 1882.
Dave

1911 census
Consider:
Mary Rutter, mother, 61, widow, married 36 years, 9 children, 7 alive, 2 died, born Wigan Lancashire.
Joseph Rutter, son, 26, single, coal miner, worker, Handsworth Parish, York.
9 Richmond, Sheffield

If unsure of relationships, consider, from FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1911
Rutter Bertha H (sic) Rotherham 9c 1378
& on the same page:
HAMMONDS Ernest

Mary was also a widow in 1901 cant find the family in 1891 but Mary the sister was not listed on any of these.

There is a burial for a John Rutter in 1898 in Handsworth cemetery check who was buried with him. this may help.

Good afternoon John S, Terry Stock and Dave T and many thanks for your information
All those pieces of the jigsaw fit together, well done.

Joseph fought and died for his country and it appears the lad has been forgotten, how sad, that is unless I can track down descendants.

His name is commemorated inside Handsworth Church and on a stone memorial outside.

Present day Richmond is a large area of 20th century housing.
There is a present day location called Sea Breeze Terrace which I believe to be the location of the old village.

Hi Roger, John S. et al,

Joseph's sister Mary, was on the 1891 census which shows the family living in Handsworth and father..John Rutter (recorded as Rutten) is still alive (D:1898). Ref:Family Search
HAPPY HUNTING :sleuth_or_spy:

Hi Wendy and thanks

Roger

Wendy, well found

PS did Joseph marry or do I need to go and get my eyes tested haha

The army payments suggest there is no wife.

Joseph Rutter b 1884 Handsworth is on 15 public member trees on Ancestry.
Ps I suspect that the final army payment to mother Mary in 1919 was actually sister Ellen's share. She was alive when Joseph died but died in q4 1918. That means her share would go to her mother if she did not leave a will
Dave

Roger, just as a matter of interest do you have any Rutter family connected to Candlesby in Lincolnshire?

I have a John Rutter baptised in 1678 in Candlesby but I am unable to work out who his parenbts were and when they married.

If anyone else on this wonderful site can enlighten that would be fantastic.

Cheers

John

Hi John

Sorry, can't help with that information

Best of luck with your further research

Roger