I am trying to establish a family connection to Joseph Rutter, Northumberland Fusiliers, who was KIA in WW1 died 20 Sep 1917.
Could someone find him in the 1911 Census please and give me the names of his family members.
My maternal Grandfather's brother, Edgar Robinson, married a Mary Rutter in 1918
The Rutters were a Handsworth / Richmond family

what year was Joseph born please?

Hi John

There is a Joseph born 1884 in Sheffield, I think that's my man !

Roger

Will see if I can find his army records and death on cwgc website. When Mary married how old was she? Presume you think Joseph and Mary are brother and sister

Commonwealth War Graves Commission has no kin details. But includes service number 16227.
Ancestry has:
UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 for Joseph Rutter
The image has the matching name, number & death date. Plus some references in the To Whom Authorised column (payments)
5-4-18 Mo Mary
5-4-18 Sis Eva
5-4-18 Bro Charles
5-4-18 Sis Alice
5-4-18 Sis Mrs Bertha E Hammond
All in black ink.

Then in red ink:
13-11-19 Mo Mary

Sorry, the black ink list also included
Sis Mary.

John Rutter Married Mary Hobson Sheffield q1 1875.
All those named brothers and sisters are on gro index between 1875 and 1895 all with mmn Hobson. Joseph born 1884, sister Mary 1882.
Dave

1911 census
Consider:
Mary Rutter, mother, 61, widow, married 36 years, 9 children, 7 alive, 2 died, born Wigan Lancashire.
Joseph Rutter, son, 26, single, coal miner, worker, Handsworth Parish, York.
9 Richmond, Sheffield

If unsure of relationships, consider, from FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1911
Rutter Bertha H (sic) Rotherham 9c 1378
& on the same page:
HAMMONDS Ernest

Mary was also a widow in 1901 cant find the family in 1891 but Mary the sister was not listed on any of these.

There is a burial for a John Rutter in 1898 in Handsworth cemetery check who was buried with him. this may help.

Good afternoon John S, Terry Stock and Dave T and many thanks for your information
All those pieces of the jigsaw fit together, well done.

Joseph fought and died for his country and it appears the lad has been forgotten, how sad, that is unless I can track down descendants.

His name is commemorated inside Handsworth Church and on a stone memorial outside.

Present day Richmond is a large area of 20th century housing.
There is a present day location called Sea Breeze Terrace which I believe to be the location of the old village.

Hi Roger, John S. et al,

Joseph's sister Mary, was on the 1891 census which shows the family living in Handsworth and father..John Rutter (recorded as Rutten) is still alive (D:1898). Ref:Family Search
HAPPY HUNTING :sleuth_or_spy:

Hi Wendy and thanks

Roger

Wendy, well found

PS did Joseph marry or do I need to go and get my eyes tested haha

The army payments suggest there is no wife.

Joseph Rutter b 1884 Handsworth is on 15 public member trees on Ancestry.
Ps I suspect that the final army payment to mother Mary in 1919 was actually sister Ellen's share. She was alive when Joseph died but died in q4 1918. That means her share would go to her mother if she did not leave a will
Dave

Roger, just as a matter of interest do you have any Rutter family connected to Candlesby in Lincolnshire?

I have a John Rutter baptised in 1678 in Candlesby but I am unable to work out who his parenbts were and when they married.

If anyone else on this wonderful site can enlighten that would be fantastic.

Cheers

John

Hi John

Sorry, can't help with that information

Best of luck with your further research

Roger

I believe this is John Rutter baptised at Candlesby 24 January 1679/80. His parents were John and Ann(e). John the father was churchwarden at Candlesby, signing the Bishops Transcripts between 1682 and 1689. John, the churchwarden was in turn likely to have been the son of John Rutter (baptised at Burgh le Marsh 28 December 1634) and his wife Elizabeth nee Rabsdaile. John & Elizabeth married at Burgh le Marsh 27 May 1630. I believe the early John is probably the one excommunicated from Burgh on 27 December 1663.

My wife is a descendant of this family.

Peter interesting thank you. I shall have to dig my notes out again and post where the line goes. The if I remember a rutter marries a Charlotte willows but will recheck

Rechecked gosh really need to update this tree I said not looked at for ages.

My rutter connection which leads to evison clan.

Hannah rutter b 1758 married john willows had Charlotte married john vision the robert b 1821 family in Hindley.

Parents of hannah I'm led to believe are joshua rutter. B 1735 and mary tointon married 1757.

I believe parents of joshua are jasper and ? jasper I think married 3 times

Parents of jasper are john and ann. Again needn't update my notes as just seen I've left a complete generation out ie but hey will give me something to do during this cold snap. Thanks for re igniting the flame on this.

Do you think the possible marriage for John and Ann is the one that took place in 1673 in Wisbech, cambridgeshire the surname of Ann was Anthony.

I've not found any other info on the marriage of John Rutter & Ann so the Wisbeach marriage is a possibility.

I believe Mary Tointon was Joshua's second wife. I've got the marriage as being 2 January 1757 at Scremby. His first marriage was to Faith Rutter 1 May 1755 at Wainfleet. Faith was a daughter of Jasper Rutter and Eleanor Carrington. I also have a 3rd marriage for Joshua: to Esther Moody at Candlesby 27 June 1779.

DO you have access to Ancestry? The Rutters are on our tree at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/107901754?cfpid=102039871769

I seem to recall seeing Evison / Avison burials in Hundleby churchyard.

I don't subscribe to ancestry or have I used a free trial I seem to remember someone gave me access to their tree years ago. Do you agree though that joshua and jasper were brothers.

Ps remove the link regarding ancestry. Not allowed on forum.

I never managed to find who were the parents of Joshua. Could you let me know baptism details.

Thanks for the tip about not including Ancestry addresses. Not sure how I can now remove it.

I've put together something near a 30 page account of the Rutters but not sure how I can get it to you.

I shall send you an email in the week. Regarding joshua born 1735 I have his parents as joshua born 1684 and eleanor Wells eleanor was his second wife. If you use family free software that uses gedvom files I could send you what I have

I worked out that the Joshua who married Eleanor Wells was born about 1697. My reasoning was based on the will of his father, John, made in 1718 which implied that Joshua was still under the age of 21. I've got the place & date of his marriage to Eleanor as 29 November 1731 at Bennington and his previous marriage to Elizabeth Taylor at Orby on 27 November 1727.

John and Ann had an earlier Joshua who was buried in 1692.

Look forward to your email.

Hadn't realised that about joshua. That seems to make sense then about his late marriage dates. It's ages since I touched the rutter line and alot more info is now on line. I shall check the death year for joshua and see what it says.