G'day brainstrust

This has been doing my head in for a few days so I've now given up in confusion and hoping I can get some advice or suggestions from this group.

Ellen Moss married Daniel Condon in 1882. He died in 1892.
All verified

She marries John Henry Yeardley in 25.12.1892.
He calls himself John Henry Yeardley Pousty and names his father as William John Pousty and I can't make out the occupation.
Ellen Condon nee Moss is living in Neepsend and occupation farmer.

He's the person I am having trouble with and seeking your help. Please leave Ellen Moss and Daniel Condon alone.

He was baptised Henry Yeardley 30.10.1864 - parents Joseph and Sarah. Joseph is a miner/collier
Birth Index is Q4 1864 Ecclesall John Henry Yeardley

1871 & 1881 census - parents Joseph & Sarah Joseph is a Coal Miner & he's named as Henry

Henry Yeardley marries Emma Helliwell/Holliwell 29.10.1890 - father Joseph is a collier
I have a death index for Emma for 1897 so I'm wondering if that is correct.

So I am puzzled and confused about Yeardley

cheers
Leisa

Even more confusing
John Henry Y Pousty married Harriett Simpson in q4 1887 Sheffield. There are 2 births in Sheffield in the name of Yeardley, mmn Simpson. Albert Edward in q3 1888 and Lily in q4 1891. There are no births in the name of Pousty.
Dave

HARRIET Yeardley died Sheffield q4 1891 age 24.
Dave

In 1868 William John Pousty (born London) marries Elizabeth Yeardley in Sheffield.

On 1871 census William and Elizabeth have

Florence B 1869
Mary B 1871
John Henry B 1865

The Marriage of John Henry Yeardley Pousty in 1887 to Harriet has his father as William John Pousty. They have Albert Edward (B1888) and Lily.

Harriet dies in 1891 and John Henry marries
Ellen Condon in 1892 - father recorded as William John Pousty.

On 1901 census William Pousty has his Grandson Albert Yeardley (aged 12 ) living with him, while John Henry is living with wife Ellen and a whole load of children and step children.

Meanwhile, Henry Yeardley Marries Emma Helliwell in 1890 (his father Joseph Yeardley) and in 1891 Henry (married) is living with his parents Joseph and Sarah - no sign of Emma.

And in 1901 Henry (now a widower) is living with his widowed mother.

So its seems John Henry Yeardley Pousty and Henry Yeardley are different people.
Henry Yeardley Born 1864 mmn Roebuck (Joseph Yeardley married Sarah Roebuck)
John Henry Yeardley B 1864 no mmn -(Elizabeth Yeardley marries William Pousty in 1868 so John Henry then becomes John Henry Yeardley Pousty)

On the 1881 census in Brightside He is transcribed (FMP) as John "Pensty or Ponsty" age 16.
Dave

I don't think I can contribute to the untangling of the POUSTY and YEARDLEY families but I wanted to mention that I am interested in the POUSTY family because William John's mother Mary (nee THORPE) was the first person to be buried in Walkley Cemetery.

This is the MI (Martha LUNN is her sister)

Resting here are
Mary POUSTY born at Gleadless June 25 1806
fell asleep at Crookesmoor May 9 1880
and Martha LUNN born at Gleadless April 4 1799
fell asleep at Crookesmoor November 28 1881
Until the day breaks

Hugh

I think you may have solved the puzzle. I've read your reply 3 times now so it's in my head. Thank you very much for this.

Denise

I'm looking at the 1891 census as you suggest and Joseph has gone from Miner/Collier to Publican - that seems rather odd to me.

More puzzling with Ellen Moss/Condon/Yeardley

I'm now wondering if Ellen married Yeardley at all.

Having said that the burial record I found on this site adds to the puzzle.

In the grave we have the following:
Dan Condon - son from first marriage
Vera Condon - daughter of Dan Condon
Ellen Yeardley 14.12.1938
John Henry Yeardley 4.3.1937 died Wadsley Mental Hospital

Census for 1891 says Ellen born Sheffield
1881 & 1871 I have her born in Edwinstowe Nottinghamshire
Baptism Edwinstowe Nottinghamshire 23.3.1862

Whilst I accept the date of birth and census records could be wrong what's Yeardley doing in the family plot?

1919 shes listed as her son Charles' next of kin as Ellen Yeardley

This lot are doing my head in

Over to you brainstrust please.
Thank goodness I can watch the womens BBL to destress

Hi Leisa

I don't think its that uncommon. As Joseph got older the Mining/Colliery work would become too hard so it made sense to make a change to something less manual.

Leisa, you need to look at the 1911 census, and more particularly the 1921 census, for John Henry Yeardley (b 1864 Sheff) and his wife Ellen (b Notts). In 1921 there is Charles Condon (son) with them as well as Yeardley children and a Yeardley grandchild.
It is not unusual for a person living in Sheffield ( on the odd census) to be mistakenly recorded as born SHeffield.
You need to look at ALL the registered facts There are plenty of them.
Dave

PS note that John Henry's mother Elizabeth Pousty nee Yeardley died in Sheffield in 1911 as Eliza Pousty. Her burial is on this site and she is in the same grave as her husband William John Pousty who died 1902.

Ellen Condon married John Henry Yeardley Pousty as per the details you've already quoted from the the marriage record.

So if you accept that fact (and details of the census records listing both Condon and Yeardley children living with Ellen and John Henry) then the burial record of Condons and Yeardleys makes perfect sense. The Condons in the plot were Ellen's son and Granddaughter, so why wouldn't Ellen and her husband John Henry be buried there.

I can't see a date of birth thats wrong (?) but if its Ellen you're referring to she was baptised in March 1862. Her birth reg gives 1st quarter 1862 so she could technically have been born at the end of 1861. So could have been 77 when she died.

Its also not uncommon for a place of birth to be given incorrectly for a census. A lot depended on who did the talking to the enumerator, or an assumption he might have made. If you look at the 1891 census quite a lot of records before Ellen (including her husband Dan) were 'ditto Sheffield' - maybe the enumerator got a bit carried away?

Denise in your previous reply you said John Henry and Henry were 2 separate people. Are you now saying they are one and the same person?


Dave - 1911 Census has Henry living with his mum Sarah and 3 Yeardley children. He's working as a coal miner.

The 1911 census has John Henry Yeardley living with wife Ellen and some Yeardley Children. This is the correct John Henry Yeardley (Pousty)
Henry living with mother SRah is completely wrong person for you
Dave

No Leisa - they are 2 separate people.

Dave

I dont think that Pousty bloke is my bloke.

Ellen Moss/Condon did not marry him. She was not a farmer at the time of her marriage.

Denise worked out John Henry and Henry were 2 separate people and my bloke is Henry

cheers

Leisa - just so we're all clear, your focus is ;

Henry Yeardley Born 1864 mmn Roebuck (Joseph Yeardley married Sarah Roebuck)

Henry Yeardley Baptised 30.10.1864 - parents Joseph and Sarah. Joseph is a miner/collier'

1871 & 1881 census - parents Joseph & Sarah Joseph is a Coal Miner

Henry Yeardley marries Emma Helliwell/Holliwell 29.10.1890 - father Joseph is a collier

In 1891 Henry (married) is living with his parents Joseph and Sarah - no sign of Emma.

Theres a death index for Emma for 1897

And in 1901 Henry (now a widower) is living with his widowed mother Sarah.

1911 Census has Henry living with his widowed mum Sarah and 3 Yeardley children. He's working as a coal miner.

Leisa, John Henry and Henry are 2 separate people and John Henry is your bloke.
Dave

G'day Dave

I guess that makes sense or he'd not be in the grave with the others.

It appears you disagree with Denise then?

cheers
Leisa

Leisa

I don't think Dave is disagreeing with me. He's agreeing that John Henry and Henry are 2 different people.

Dave says John Henry is who you're looking for - I haven't said who I think you're looking for!

I was responding to your last post where you said;

'Denise worked out John Henry and Henry were 2 separate people and my bloke is Henry'

So based on that, for clarity (as things can get lost where there are a few posts) I then outlined all the information for Henry Yeardley (as you said he was your man), so you could confirm he was the right man (or not).

1911 Census 3 Little Lane Grimesthorpe
John Henry Yeardley 47 Stoker b Sheff
Ellen (wife) Married 18yrs, 9 Children, 4 still alive b Edwinstowe Ollerton
Florence May dau 17
John Henry son 16
Annie Dau 14
Minnie dau 9 All born Sheff

1921 Census 3 Little Lane
John Henry Yeardley 57 b Sheff
Ellen Wife 59 b Eardinstowe Notts
Chas Albert Condon 39 son single b Notts Ollerton
Annie Yeardley 24 Single dau b Sheff
Minnie Yeardley 20 Single dau b Sheff
Mildred Yeardley 4yrs 7 months g dau b Sheff
Here are the GRO birth registrations of all nine children mmn MOSS
YEARDLEY, JOHN HENRY MOSS
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 628

YEARDLEY, ANNIE MOSS
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 598

YEARDLEY, FLORENCE MAY MOSS
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 620
YEARDLEY, BEATRICE MOSS
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 618

YEARDLEY, JESSIE MOSS
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 614

YEARDLEY, WILLIAM MOSS
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 605

YEARDLEY, MINNIE MOSS
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 614

YEARDLEY, DORIS MOSS
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 640

YEARDLEY, GEORGE ARTHUR MOSS
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 640


Charles Albert Condon was actually Charles Albert Moss born illegitimate before she married Condon
MOSS, CHARLES ALBERT -
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 412

Dave