Hello I am hoping someone can help with working out where my JOHN DRURY and his 2nd wife ELIZABETH (LISTER-also her 2nd marriage) ADKIN was born. I believe both of their fathers were called JOHN.
They were both born around 1803 in Yorkshire and both died age 62 in 1865 in Worksop.
On 1851 Cencus he is from Yorks - Alcroft and his wife ELIZABETH is from Byton.
On 1861 Cencus he is from Yorks - ??? K---croft/K---forth ?? and his wife Beighton (I have the registers from Church of St Mary, Beighton and cannot find Elizabeth on them)
I have searched without success to find them anywhere within Yorkshire with a place name that resembles the above.
I have also checked different surname spellings and still no luck.
All my fingers are crossed.
Thankyou
Karen

Is it atkin or adkin for the surname? Only a guess but could the place be Carcroft? When did john and elizabeth marry?

Thanks for looking John.
Yes Elizabeth could be Adkin or Atkin. She changed between both.
I cant get past Beighton as her birth place as its written so clearly.
They married in 11 Feb 1844 at the Priory, Worksop.This is a 2nd marriage for both.They are of Full Age and both fathers are John. No other clues with witnesses.

Just done a quick check and theres nothing for Carfroft.
I was hoping a new set of eyes would see something different to me.
Ill keep digging.
Thanks

just checking I am on the correct line was elizabeths first marriage to a John lister married april 1830 again at worksop

where were they in 1841?

Karen,
I cannot find this couple in 1851. Where were they living please?
I do have the 1861 in Worksop and with a little stretch of the imagination John's place of birth could be Heawn Croft.
There is a baptism for John Drury in 1802 (father John) in Cawthorne (Barnsley) and I note that Cawthorne today has a Horn Croft Road.
Best I can do
Dave

Dave correct me if I'm wrong but in 1803 wasn't Beighton in Derbyshire and hence why she can't find the baptism

Hi Karen & Dave,

I have one of my lines that were baptized in Cawthorne but at All Saints Church. I believe I found that info on Family Search.

Might be worth a look.

Elaine.

I have now found them in 1851. In that census their birth dates are not 1803. His age is 40 (so born 1811) and hers is 45 (so born 1806).
Why did their ages in 1861 jump so much from those in 1851, ie 40 to 58 for John and 45 to 58 for Elizabeth?
Which to believe?

Dave

Thanks everyone, this is just what I needed. Someones elses take on things. What a headache.

Elizabeth Adkin/Atkin married John Lister in 1830 in Workop. John Lister died in 1840 and on the 1841 Cencus Elizabeth is a widow.
In 1844 she married John Drury at The Priory, Worksop.
In 1851 they are living at Worksop. John is from Yorks, Alcroft (Cannot find this place) and Elizabeth, Yorks, Byton (Beighton).
On 1861 they are in Worksop and their birth place has been trnscribed as "REAWNPORFT" and "BEIGHTON"

I have a CD of all Beighton St Mary Baptisms and neither are on it in any way of spelling their names.

John pointed out that Beighton was in Derbyshire then and so what I read as (and written as) "Beighton" cant be right. So i'll have to look for somewhere sounding like that but in Yorkshire.

Their ages sort of follow through with John 1841 is 36, 1851 is 40 (could be 46, 1861 is 58.
Elizabeth 1841 is 34, 1851 is 45, 1861 is 58.
They both die in 1865 age 62 (taken from the GRO Index) and buried at Worksop.With all these numbers what exactly do you believe :weary:

Thanks for all your help, i'll keep looking.

Just recheck Beighton was in Derbyshire in 1803 to be sure where was elizabeth in 1841? If it's somewhere no in Nottinghamshire I'd be inclined to look at the Notts yorkshire border.

The deaths of the Worksop Drurys were both notified in a Sheffield newspaper.

Sheffield Daily Telegraph May 20 1865
On the 16th inst., at Worksop, Elizabeth, wife of John Drury, aged 62 years.

Sheffield Daily Telegraph June 1 1865
At Worksop, Mr. John Drury, lodging-house keeper, aged 62 years. [date not included]

Karen, how about Brayton in North Yorkshire?
Dave

Karen, I have looked again at the place of birth of John Drury on the 1861 census. The first letter or two are very ambiguous. Could be R, K, H or even B. However , comparing the rest of it to the man’s handwriting elsewhere on the page I am convinced that the rest of the word reads “awnycroft”.
I wonder if it is a mangling of Thawnycroft, ie THORNYCROFT which is in N Yorkshire.

Regardless of that you should be looking at baptisms more like 1805 than 1803.
Dave

Hi Karen et al,
My findings are: Elizabeth first married April 1830 in Worksop to John Lister, Elizabeth Lister re-married in 1844 to John Drury.
I have a Fam.Search 1871 census record for a John Lister (Lunatic/widowed) B1803 Notts. Event Place: St.Mary's, Sneinton (which is on the Worksop Rd).
Not sure if this helps or hinders..??

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

If Ryton in 1851 for Elizabeth.
Consider:
https://gazetteer.org.uk/
Ryton is a hamlet in Yorkshire, in the North Riding. It is within the council area of North Yorkshire.

Civil Parish: Habton CP
Lat, Long: 54.171249,-0.78876346

Ive been looking at all suggestions and still at a loss.

Elizabeth Adkin/Atkin 1803 ? =
Born Yorks "Byton/Beighton ??" BUT Beighton was in Derbyshire in the 1800's
1830 married 1st husband John Lister The Priory Worksop. John died 1840 Worksop.
1841 Widow Living Lambert Street, Sheffield.
1844 2nd Marriage JOHN DRURY The Priory Worksop
1851 Both NorfolK Street, Worksop
1861 Both Worksop
1865 Both Deaths Worksop

John Drury 1803 ??? =
Born somewhere Yorks ? Alcroft/???forth/croft
Married 1st wife MARY ANN ? Cannot find a marriage. But 1st child born 1829 Worksop.
Mary Ann died 1842 Worksop.
1844 John (Widow) 2nd marriage to Elizabeth Lister (Widow) The Priory Worksop

What is interesting and its what is drawing me back to Beighton is that John's son Daniel Drury b.1851 Worksop (my 2nd Gr Grandfather) is buried 1891 at St Marys BEIGHTON and was living Hackenthorpe. Some of his other children end up in Sheffield also.
Theres definately some connection between Worksop and Beighton. The newspaper article that Terry pointed out shows there was a reason to report a death in Worksop in a Sheffield newspaper.
Thanks everyone.

Karen
Elizabeth gave birth to Jemima in 1846, Patience in 1847, Sampson in 1850 and Daniel in 1851.

If she was born in 1803 then she gave birth to 4 children at age 43, 44, 47 and 48.
How likely is that??
Dave

Hi Dave
Your so right with the age of Elizabeth. We automatically jump to the conclusion that its not realistic that she gave birth at 48.
Her 1st son was called JOB b.1844.
Her last child Israel/Daniel b.1851 is my 2 Gr Grandfather.
1851 Birth registered as ISRAEL DREWERY on GRO index mother ATKIN Worksop.
1851 7 Dec Bapt.father JOHN DRURY mother Elizabeth Worksop.
1861 Cencus ISRAEL
1871 Cencus DAN
1881 Cencus DANIEL
1891 Cencus DANIEL
1891 Death DANIEL
1898 On my Gr Grandmothers wedding cert as ISRAEL
Daniels brother was bap SAMSON but this changed to SAMUEL only 10 weeks later when he was Buried.

I definately know the parents of ISRAEL/DANIEL are JOHN DRURY and ELIZABETH ATKIN but now i'm thinking there could be another marriage and not the one with ELIZABETH ATKIN/LISTER.
Although JOHN DRURY's 1st marriage to MARY ? named a son SAMSON born and died in 1841. So again i feel theres some connection.

Job was baptised 14th July 1844 as Drury father john a labour mother elizabeth. I can't find his birth on the GRO index. I'm now wondering if the john drury to elizabeth lister is not connected

There is a baptism for an Elizabeth Atkin on 21st Sept 1806 at Eckington.
Eckington is less than 5km from Beighton so she could have been born in Beighton but baptised in Eckington.
Her ages for the births of her 4 children would then be 40, 41, 44 and 45. More believable than 43,44,47 and 48
Also her age of 34 in 1841 and 45 in 1851 would fit very closely
Dave

Karen, with regard to the correctness of the Lister Atkin marriage you need only look at the family in 1861. There is a 19 yr old Henry Lister with them, a lodger (born about 1842). But he is placed above their younger Drury children!!!!
In late 1841 there is a baptism of Henry Lister in Worksop and he is the son of Elizabeth Lister, SINGLE WOMAN and her address is COMMON. That is the same address her husband John Lister died at more than one year before!!!!
So Elizabeth Lister had an illegitimate son Henry more than one year after John Lister died and 2 yrs before she married John Drury.

Dave

Who was elizabeth living with in 1841 does that give any clues ie was a john drury nearby?

Dave, 1841 Cencus Elizabeth was living Lambert Street Sheffield and a Widow, she is also age 34 so making her birth 1807 and from YORKS.
The Eckington birth would fit but the father on that record is a Joseph and her father was recorded as JOHN on her wedding certificate.
In 1830 she married John Lister at The Priory. JOHN LISTER died March 1840 at COMMON, Worksop.

She must have gone back to Worksop and given birth to her son Henry who was born in Oct 1841 abode COMMON.
Then by 1844 she married John Drury in Worksop.
I followed their children forward and some of them ended up in Handsworth, Sheffield.
I looked back at the place where John Drury stated he was from in the 1861 cencus and wonder if it reads HANDSWORTH ? I'm not convinced but Beighton and Handsworth are close.
I really dont know anymore. I think I'm going to go back to the beginning and re-do and re-check the whole thing.

Karen, I do not believe that the Elizabeth Lister in Lambert Street Sheffield in 1841 is yours.
We have clear proof that she was in Common in Worksop in Oct 1841 and at the same address in 1840 when John Lister was buried.
If you look at that record in 1841 you will see that every adult on the page has an age that ends on 0 or 5. So the enumerator was rounding down. Look hard at the age of Elizabeth, that last figure is not a 4 (it cannot be, and it does not look like a 4), it is a zero, and that is consistent for the enumerator. Also the first number may possibly be a 5 not a 3. She is either 30 or 50. Either way she is not yours.

Your Elizabeth had a son John Lister baptised Worksop in 1833. Where did he go? Surely wherever she was, he would be with her. I believe Elizabeth was still in Worksop but missing from the Census.
Note that in 1851 her illegitimate son Henry Lister was named as Drury.
Dave

EDIT Just found Elizabeth in COMMON, Worksop in 1841 census. She is 35 (not rounded down) and recorded as LIDSTER. With her are children Peter 9, JOHN 7 and Ann 4. All 3 children have Baptisms in COMMON. John is as Lister, Ann and Peter as Lidster. All 3 have father John and mother Elizabeth. There is one other child with them in the census, something like ALLIN or ELLIN age 13. She is born out of county. I suspect she is probably actually Atkin, born illegitimate to Elizabeth before her first marriage.

EDIT Again SNAP Denise, you got it in before me

Hi Karen

How sure are you that the Elizabeth in Lambert Street is yours? Its seems odd that she would go to Sheffield and be the head of the house in Lambert St living with the Smith family, and then a few months later move back to Worksop.

You dont mention John Lister and Elizabeth having any children - so it might not be anything (but worth a look at this stage!!) but theres an Elizabeth Lidster, born abt 1806, born outside the county, living at Eastgate COMMON Worksop, with

Allin Born abt 1828
Peter Born abt 1832
John Born abt 1834
Ann Born abt 1837

A quick look for Peter and Ann and theres baptisms in Worksop for both Father John,Labourer, Mother Elizabeth
John in 1831 and Ann in 1836 (address COMMON).
????
Denise

Just an idea..no access to pc at mo...in 1841 could elizabeth be down as atkin ie back with her parents and numerator put atkin down when they said she was their daughter.

Thanks everyone, youre so right on this.
I'd obviously become blinkered and not looking with a clear head. Now i;ve got some clearing up to do on my tree.
I appreciate all your time and effort.
Thanks Karen

Not found a baptism for allin..so wondering if this could be under Atkin or was he from a different family.

Karen, The GRO death registration below seems a perfect fit:

Age at Death (in years):
ATKIN, ALLEN 16
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 22 Page 345
Order this entry as a: Certificate, PDF, digital image

Note that BEIGHTON was in the Rotherham Registration District at that time

Dave

Thanks Dave, I'd been looking for Allen Lister until I realised he would be an Atkin but still couldnt find him then thought he may even be a girl called Ellen !!

I didnt realise Beighton would be classed as ROTHERHAM on records so thats very interesting. Ive searched for his mother Elizabeth born around 1805 in so many ways but still cant find her birth. Ive still got that gut feeling shes from Beighton. Her father is a John (from her marriage cert) and the only match is Eckington but it is 1800 which would make her 51 when she had her last child.

You say order the certificate, do you know what may be on the record ? Ive not seen a death cert from around that date before are they usually informative ?
Karen

Karen, lots of info will be on the record. Hopefully it will give new leads. Bring up the record on GROIndex then click on the small circle at the left end of the correct record. This brings up your 3 choices of Certificate, PDF, and Digital Image. Click on the latter and follow instructions to pay £3. When you have completed payment you will be sent back to your order page but this time there is a link to the record. Click on that and see the record. The record will remain there for you for 3 months then it will be destroyed. You can download it or photograph it so you get a permanent record on your device.
Please let us know what you find. Great for less than the cost of a cup of coffee
Dave

Ps just Google Rotherham Registration District and see the full history of it and how some bits came and went. In the late 20th century some parts were exchanged between Rotherham an Worksop Rgistration Districts.As the crow flies it is only 10 miles between Beighton and Worksop

Pps if you have not already signed up to GRO you will need to do that first. It is free of charge.

Karen
On the 1851 census John Rrury is recored as born in Alcroft. Yorks.
Have you considered that John may have may have been born in Hallcroft but he spoke in the vernacular to the enumerator ie dropping his aitch
Dave