I am looking for a marriage for John Hinchliffe scissor smith & a Margaret 'surname unknown'
There is a John Hinchliffe File smith married to a Margaret Wilde but this is a different couple. I have searched in vane to find their marriage but to no avail. problem is with not knowing Margaret's surname it is possible they were not married in Sheffield although they lived there. I have both couples death certificates so know they are definitely different couples. My Margaret died in 1840 so not on any censuses records.

Burial for Margaret Hinchliffe.
27 Jan 1840 • Sheffield, Metropolitan Borough of Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England

Margaret wife of John Hinchliffe - Scissor smith. Abode Snow lane, Burial 27 Jan 1840, aged 63.

Any help appreciated.

Margaret was buried at the parish church on 27th January 1840, aged 63, wife of John Hinchliffe, scissorsmith, residence Snow lane.

A John Hinchliffe (widower) married Margaret Wilde (spinster) at the parish church on 30th July 1801. Samuel Hinchliffe was the witness (plus the parish clerk Sorby). John was able to sign his name.

Julie
Have tried all spelling possibilities and cannot come up with a positive result for their marriage. However there is a baptism at Sheffield Parish church for Thomas INCHLIFFE Jan 27 1804
(born Jan 4th 1804). His parents are Margt and John Inchliffe (SCISSORSMITH)so this confirms they had at least one child together.
It was not uncommon for a couple to live together as man and wife, and have children, without paying for a formal marriage.
Dave

Hello Ted,
Thank you for your reply and the History of Sheffield's Hinchliffe's.

I do have Margaret's death certificate off GRO UK and her burial record on Ancestry also her husband John's, plus all their family on my tree, one of their son's is Louis Hinchliffe my 3rd Great grandfather.


John Hinchliffe is my 4th Great grandfather and Louis is the great nephew of Robert the scissor maker you mentioned in the Sheffield History.
I was aware of their history to a point, of the 3 brothers John, Robert and David and their changes of occupations, it is fascinating that I am related if my tree is correct, also that Joseph Hinchliffe moved to Scotland and became a jeweller and is buried there with his family, their Burial plot is on find-a-grave.
It is just John & Margaret's marriage that eludes me as well as Margaret's maiden name so would be lovely to add the missing pieces to my family Tree puzzle, maybe one day.



I have also made a family tree set up separately for the other John & Margaret Wild/Hinchliffe on Ancestry for others to see that they are two different families due to so many having them mixed. Thank you again.
Julie

Hello Dave,
Thank you for your reply, you are correct on their son Thomas, they also had a son Louis who is my 3rd great grandfather, and if my tree research is correct they had 3 more sons and a daughter from 1804 to 1822. I did wonder if they actually officially married but still hope to find a marriage one day or at least Margaret's Maiden name. I have all except for their youngest sons baptism records stating their mother was Margaret and their father was John Hinchliffe a scissor-smith. The youngest son is on the 1841 censuses with his father John and sister Ann & her husband & family but sadly Margaret had died in 1840.

You say Margaret died aged 63 born in 1840, how old was her husband in 1840 and how old was he when he died?

Does the census state that John was born in county?

John

Hi John,

yes John was born in Sheffield.

John Hinchliffe • Scissor-Smith

Birth 1774 • Sheffield, Yorkshire, England.

Baptism - 28 Oct 1774 • Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul.
John - son of John Hinchliffe Scissor smith.

Death 31 MAR 1848 • New Jericho street, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Aged 73.

if anyone is on Ancestry I can show you his tree.

Hi Julie,

When we last spoke a few years ago I believe I mentioned that my Hinch(c)liffe`s
were from the Bradfield area and left it to you to follow through looking there.

I am presuming that was the incorrect line.

I found the following children baptised at Sheffield Parish Church.
Thomas Inchliffe 1804
Louis Hinchliffe 1806
William 1808
David 1811

Do you have any others born prior to 1804.

As we know prior to 1848 most if not all marriages would have taken place at SPC.
So few churches at that time. Ecclesfield Rotherham & Bradfield were other alternatives.

John having been born in 1774 could have at a stretch been married before 1800ish.AND not to Margaret.

Have you checked Rotherham out? Some of my wayward ancestors used Rotherham and not SPC.Judging from the numbers of marriages that took place there per day they must have been standing in line to be next.:smile:

Hope you find them

Elaine in Ottawa.(NOT the 51st state)LOL.

Hello Elaine,
Thomas 1804 it the first baptism I’ve found scanning backwards so no other children before him they also have a sister Ann 🙂 and I have tried marriage records from 1700s onwards but nothing, I do wonder if they were married close to the other couple if the record has been mixed up and possibly not copied thinking they where the same couple so is still out there. Without seeing the original records I guess it will never show up 🫤
Also you say when we spoke a few years ago has got me curious because I’ve only just joined here 🤔 thank you anyway for your reply. Julie

Julie
You are looking for a marriage in the period 1790 to 1805. If you look at marriages in that period on FMP you will see that for every marriage there are at least 2 different original documents. These are the marriage record itself in a parish register and either a notification of banns or notification of licence document in a separate parish register. The reason for this is the law at the time based on the Hardwicke Act of 1753. By law the church at which the marriage took place had to do it this way, and any incumbent who broke the rules could be punished by transportation for 14 years. Therefore we can be sure that if a marriage took place between John Hincliffe, scissor smith, and a Margaret then there would be Two different documents recording that fact. There is very little chance that BOTH those documents would go missing in the FMP transcription process
Therefore I believe you can safely assume that no marriage took place.
Dave

Thanks again Dave,
I have searched and searched and I've scanned so many documents on FMP, Ancestry and family search but nothing, so you may be right and they never actually got married legally, but will carry on searching in the hope that they did.
Thank you everyone for your input.

Julie :slightly_smiling_face:

Julie
Looking at the children that your John and Margaret had the second son Lewis stands out. There are traditions in naming children and, assuming there is some degree of tradition in this family, then the second son would be named after the mother's father.
Following that line there is a birth in Avoch (Ross and Cromarty) on 20 Aug 1775 of a Margaret Brodie whose father is named as Lewis.
A search of Scotland's People reveals no marriage to a Hinchliffe so unfortunately there is no evidence there.
Perhaps this Margaret is worthy of further study.
Dave

Julie, sorry, Margaret Brodie born 1775 in Avoch, d of Lewis Brodie, died aged 13 in 1788 so that is a dead end (pardon the pun)
Dave

Aww that’s sad but thank you for trying 🙂