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Filling in blanks time again.
From the 1881 census Richard Fox born 17 Jul 1875 parents George Wells Fox and Ellen nee Woodcock.
I can't find a match on the GRO so perhaps birth was not registered the baptism is on this site though.. I think.
On to the 1891 census Found George Wells Fox and Ellen with children but no Richard but there is a James T W born 1875 ( no James on 1871 census)
GRO Dec quarter 1875 James Thomas Wells Fox with mmn Woodcock.
In am sure this James is correct and if so the Richard Fox born 1875 is obviously not mine. But my question is being as Richard and no James in 1881 and James and no Richard in 1891 do you think these could be the same person?
From a previously posted question on here I know Jammes went to Australia.
Your thoughts please.
cheers
John
I agree with you John.
Terry
Hi John
Strange isn't it.
Looking at the marriage of George and Ellen (at the same church as the baptism for Richard) it says George's father was called Richard, and Ellen's dad was called James. I'm wondering if they disagreed about the name for their first son, or perhaps regretted their choice? Could Richard have been a nickname?
Heths
The birth was registered as James Thomas Wells Fox, like you though normally the first son is named after the father. So my next thinking is where did Thomas come from and is that the mistake so it should have been James Richard William Fox.
It would be interesting to know who gave him the name Richard at the baptism and I wonder who registered the birth.
Just a thought now Richard Fox (George's father) died in 1874.
You are probably correct at it being a nickname but nevertheless quoting a birth date as Jul 1875 and the birth being registered in Dec 1875 is still a mystery.
Has anyone access to the original to see if the date of birth for Richard has been transcribed incorrectly and it should in fact say be Oct 1875.
John
I just looked on FMP John and i read it is 17 Novr 1875.
Terry
Cheers Terry now that makes sense but the baptism was under Richard on FMP. So Think we can say they are the same person poor lad must have been so confused unless was always called James and it was just a mistake on whoever told the enumerator the info for the 1881 census.
Just checked the baptism record, not been changed so is something up with the database
Morning,
Checked and it reads the following.
Fox, Richard (of The Park, born 1875-11-17).
Baptised March 1, 1876, by Thos Wilkins Vicar at St Michael & All Angels, Neepsend.
Parents name(s) are Ellen & George (Grinder).
John I think its your computer......
Top of the page left hand side there is is an arrow in a circle. Click on it and it should give your computer a nudge to update itself.
Elaine.
This is a browser issue.I use Opera and the date has not been changed.Rechecking in Firefox and the date has been changed. Perhaps it also affects other areas of research
Regards
Terry
Hi Terry
Might be a case of clearing the cache in Opera if thats the browser you usually use to access the site.
Denise
I use google chrome and not worked on that either. PS how do you clear caches please
Hi John
I'm using Chrome and its fine.
So to clear the cache in Chrome:
Top right hand corner of the Chrome window there are 3 dots in a vertical line. Click on the dots.
That opens up a pop up window. Select 'Settings' near the bottom of the pop up.
Opens up 'Settings' window. Select 'Privacy & Security' from the menu on the left hand side to access the 'Privacy & Security' section.
Select 'Clear browsing data' which opens up a pop up window, with a list of selections with tick boxes.
Click the tick box for the 'Cached images and files' option. Make sure this is the ONLY box that's ticked.
Then select the 'Clear Data' button at the bottom of the pop up window.
Depending on how much data there is (should tell you at the side of the 'cached images and files' option), it may take a while to clear.
Once its finished, try accessing Baptisms again.
Denise
Thanks Denise, all sorted
John,
I have not really studied your James/Richard problem but I have information on the family of his mother Ellen Woodcock if you are interested. (I have a connection with her next older brother Frederick.) Her parents were James Woodcock and Mary Hobson who married at Sheffield Parish Church 27 Mar 1848. James' obituary is in Sheffield Daily Telegraph 7 Sep 1907 p8.
Sally
Sally, thank you for your interest, Regarding James Woodcock and Mary Hobson the only info I have is James was born in 1827 and his parents were James and Mary ?
As for Mary Hobson, the only info I have is she was born circa 1830 in Derbyshire parents unknown.
If you are willing to fill in those missing blanks for me it would be appreciated.
Regards
John
Hi John,
These are entries from Findmypast which have images available. Had to re-space them from small tables so they may jumble up in transmission! (I always use "Sheffield St. Peter" because that was the name at the time.)
FAMILY OF JOHN WOODCOCK b 1786, & MARY (ANN) SELWOOD b 1796
FMP Yorkshire baptisms - abode: Sheffield
James Woodcock 1 Mar 1827 29 Apr 1827 John, cutler Mary Sheffield, St Peter
Robert Woodcock 6 Mar 1829 12 Jul 1829 John, cutler Mary Ann Sheffield, St Peter
William Woodcock 12 Sep 1831 31 Dec 1834 John, cutler Mary Ann Sheffield, St Peter
Sheffield Archives-Ref: PR-138-2-15 James, PR-138-2-17 Robert, PR-138-2-21 William
FMP Yorkshire burials - abode: Brown’s Row, Rockingham St.
Robert Woodcock age 1 15 Mar 1830 son of Jno Sheffield, St George, Brook Hill
Ref: PR-62-3-1
In the 1841 census Mary Hobson is a female servant at Drakehouse, DBY
She appears to be the youngest of 5 children of George & Elizabeth(Hay?), bp 21 Jun 1829 Beighton, DBY. Ref: PR-138-2-2
A puzzle is the parents of John Woodcock. He is the eldest of a family of John & Ann, but there were two marriages of a John Woodcock to an Ann, in 1784 and 1785 (Darwin or Season).
Ref: PR-138-3-6
FMP Yorkshire baptisms, and FreeReg
John Woodcock 22 Jan 1786 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
George Woodcock 16 Nov 1787 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
Mary Woodcock 29 Jul 1789 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
William Woodcock 6 Jul 1791 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
Jane Woodcock 6 Nov 1793 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
Peter Woodcock 24 Jul 1796 John Ann Sheffield, St Peter
Ref: PR-138-1-12
These are definitely the correct siblings because James is mentioned as a cousin to three of Peter's sons at a funeral in 1899! I am also puzzled by the fate of John b1786, I have a theory, difficult to prove.
I have since come across your query about Fanny/Frances Woodcock, dau. of James. There is a FreeBMD entry for a Fanny in SepQ 1848. "Frances" was probably thought more sophisticated, but among people who attended James' funeral was Mrs. Fanny Middleton, daughter.
More to say, email me if you wish.
Regards, Sally
Thank you for the info Sally, I shall add it to my notes..need to get rid of the dust first haha
just a theory and not checked myself yet but could the first ann (marriage 1784) have died say in childbirth and John married the second Ann the following year?
John
John, I have looked for a burial of Ann Woodcock, 1784-5, not found.
CORRECTION: Sheffield Archives ref for bap. of Mary Hobson should be PR-73-2-1
I forgot to give you the marriage of John W. and Mary Ann Selwood:
FMP Yorkshire marriages:
John Woodcock (X), Ba, otp
Mary Ann Selwood (X), Sp, otp
6 May 1825, banns, Sheffield, St Peter
ref:PR-138-3-21
FMP Yorkshire baptisms:
Mary Ann Sellwood 10 Apr 1796 Willm Hanh Blacksmith Sheffield, St Peter
ref: PR-138-2-2
Sellwood/Addy marriage at Mexborough 28 Mar 1785, 3 baptisms there, then 7 at Sheffield.
After Mary Ann, William changed from Blacksmith to Edge Tool Maker, which is what James became.
(Some confusion over the transcription of the correct baptism dates at Mexborough, the clerk appears to have headed one page incorrectly.)
William & Hannah Selwood appear to have been buried at Tinsley in 1845 & 1846.
Hope you've finished dusting!
Regards, Sally
Sally, Ellen Woodcock that married George Wells Fox....
Have you got Ellen's exact date of birth please?
John
John, No sorry I haven't, only JunQ 1855. I have not found baptisms for any of this family so assume church(s) or dates not yet indexed. In that decade they moved from Jericho to Eyre Street but I haven't checked the parish boundaries. Sally
PS Just received an email to say Ancestry is free until Monday.