Looking up Sheffield newspapers in case there is something about Gertrude/ Herbert. Nothing significant but you might as well have these:

Sheffield Independent Mar 1 1870 & Mar 5 1870
Marriages
At St. Philip’s Church … Feb 28 by the Rev. Creswell Roberts, B.A., Mr Herbert Linley, Britannia metal smith, to Miss Isabella Condon.

Sheffield Daily Telegraph Nov 22 1873
Deaths
LINLEY – Nov. 17, Herbert, son of Herbert Linley, Channing-street, aged 7 months.

Sheffield Independent Feb 14 1857
Marriages
At the Parish Church, on the 8th inst., …Mr. Henry Linley, grinder, to Miss Elizabeth Radley.

Thank you but I already have those clippings. :smiley:

If that is the case then maybe the bloke who was a tailor is the father and the birth is under Gertrude's name?

Hi Leisa,

Hope this may give you a little clue as to his birth. In the 1921 census he is living with one of his sons Albert Condon Linley, shown as widowed and his age on 19th June 1921 (date of census) was 73 years 1 month so looks as though he was possibly born in May 1848 but there is nothing on the GRO indexes or baptisms so perhaps he wasn't registered or baptised. Although on both marriages his father is shown as William Linley I can't find a census record before 1881 with Herbert on it.

Wendy

I think Barry is right, that Gertrude never married and that her children’s births might not have been registered.

In 1861 she was calling herself Gertrude Yates, but I couldn’t find a Lin(d)ley/Yates marriage. Also in 1871 she had reverted to using the name Linley. In the 1841 census Gertrude was on Earl St, with an Elizabeth Lindley (age 50, silver burnisher) a William Lindley (age rounded down to 20, warehouseman) and a Walter Lindley age 7. Walter is probably the William Walter Sykes Linley born 23/12/1833, baptised in 1837 together with a brother Henry Clarence Sykes Linley, born 12/12/1835 - mother Gertrude, a spinster. No father mentioned.

Gertrude’s own baptism was a late one, in 1832 (she was born 12/11/1813) A brother William (born 22/12/1818) was baptised at the same time as her, and was probably the warehouseman in 1841. Their parents were William and Elizabeth. William was a silversmith. Looks like Herbert might have given his grandfather’s details rather than admit he was illegit.

Heths