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Thanks John, yes could be but I can't find a death either. They were quite a complicated family before her marriage and not on any census I can find.
Helen, I wonder if this illegit birth 1n 1871 was to your Mary Elizabeth?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HASTROP, ANN ELIZA -
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 319
The birth cert is available as a digital image for £2.50.
Her 1889 marriage is on this site.
ASTROP, Anne Eliza (Spinster, age 18, ~, residing at 1ct 2h Furnace Hill).
Married John Thomas MIDDLETON, on October 6, 1889, by Carus Vale Collier (Banns) at
St Jude, Moorfields. Father's name is James Langwith (Hawker).
Married in the presence of William Flood, Martha Ann Brayford.
Notes: ~.
Page No: 181 Reg No: 362
Unusually, she named her biological father!!!
If you get the Birth reg, please let us know. It could lead to more info.
Dave
A family tree at Ancestry claims a death matching this burial from the records here:
Middleton, Annie E (Married, age 25).
Died at Firvale Workhouse; Buried on November 10, 1896 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 3881, Section GG of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
And that this record is for a daughter
Middleton, Annie (Child, age 4).
Died at 174 Lancing Rd; Buried on January 27, 1891 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 12775, Section X of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
The 1889 marriage:
"Father's name is James Langwith (Hawker)."
The Langwith name too is a bit thin on the ground.
Sheffield Independent 18 Feb 1871 (paraphrase): James Langwith (Balm Green) was one of 4 shoe blacks convicted of playing pitch and toss and obstructing the footpath. Fined 1s 3d & costs but as the money was not forthcoming they were committed to prison.
Helen, no need to get the birth record for Ann Eliza Astrop registered 1871.
The following 3 baptism records, ALL CONSECUTIVE AND ON THE SAME DAY 16th April 1879 at Hollis Croft (FMP) clearly identify the family you are looking for:
Born 10.10 1871 Ann Eliza ASTROP of 7 Ct Pea Croft, mother Mary Elizabeth
Born 5.6.1874 Sarah Ann MITCHELL, of 7 Ct Pea Croft father William (Spring knife cutler), Mother Mary Elizabeth
Born 4.2 1897 Charlotte MITCHELL of 7 Ct Pea Croft father William (Spring knife cutler), Mother Mary Elizabeth.
So William Hitching was actually William Mitchell.
From this you can easily find the family on 1881 census and from there you can follow them on 1891 (with more children), 1901 and 1911. Also because in 1881 William's mother Deborah Mitchell is with them, you can identify William with his parents in 1871, 1861 and 1851.
It really stretches the imagination to speculate how William Mitchell became William Kitching on the 1873 marriage to Mary Elizabeth Hastrop
Dave
Dave could william have been born illegit then soon after his birth his mother married a Mr Mitchell and on all the census returns etc put Mitchell. If he was born illegit if he was baptised was it as a Mitchell?
Correction. CHARLOTTE Ws born 1879 not 1897.
Dave
The plot thickens:
There is (FMP) a Sheffield Baptism on 16 April 1854 of William Kitching born 16 April 1847 with father William (cutler) and mother Deborah. But 3 yrs earlier on the 1851 census it is William MITCHELL with wife Deborah and son William (3).
It would seem that William was their only child and Deborah was 31 when William Kitching was born.
I wonder if this is a case of an ad hoc adoption by a childless couple and they gave his original birth name when they eventually baptised him age about 7
Dave
Need to find William kitching on gro to see what mothers maiden name was ie was Deborah a kitching before marrying a mitchell
Hello John et al,
I am not sure but I think there may be a connection under marriages on this site.
William Hitchin
married August 20 1843 SPC
Deborah Hatfield Calow
HAPPY HUNTING :sleuth_or_spy:
Great find Wendy. So William Hitchin(g) married Deborah Hatfield Calow 1843 and they had onlychild William in APRIL 1847 and baptised him 1854. But meantime before 1851 they decided that they would go by the name Mitchell.
Deborah is on the 1841 census over to the left (Calon)and she is in our baptisms over to the left, father Joseph, mother Mary.
Dave
Could William be William Hitching Mitchell or could William have benn up to no good so changed his name?
Hi Dave et al,
There is also a death record on this site for a Deborah Mitchell (Widow) no age given but on GRO Index the age is 68 which places her birth at 1815.
Death: May(?}1883 Burial: May 24th 1883 City Rd.Cem.
HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:
Sorry for the silence I have been on holiday. This information is great and I will look into it. All fits as Mary Elizabeth had a sister Ann Eliza born 1863 died 1864 so makes sense its the name of her first child.
The next Asstrop I need to find out more about is Mary Elizabeth's grandfather, John Asstrop, occupation shoe maker on son John's birth certificate 1831 (Mary Elizabeth's father). He died before 1834 which was when his widow Mary (nee Kenyon) remarried a Daniel Norman. Apart from John Asstrop and Mary Kenyon married on here I can't find the birth or death of John.
Many thanks again!I am not sure I would have found this myself.
Hi, just found the marriage of Charlotte to an Edward Proctor on here with the following notes
Notes: Bride's surname & signature first written as Mitchell. Surname amended to Hitching by minister - Initials HFG in margin dated 9/2/19.
Mainly the family go by the name Mitchell but it seems they maybe should be Hitching/Hitchen
This record is certainly strange.
PROCTOR, Edward (Bachelor, age 24, Cab Driver, residing at 9ct 9 Duke St).
Married Charlotte HITCHING, on October 10, 1898, by Henry F Greenwood (Banns) at
St John, Park. Father's name is Edward Proctor,deceased (Scissor Grinder).
Married in the presence of Fred Nelson Wood (mark),Emily Wood (mark).
Notes: Bride's surname & signature first written as Mitchell. Surname amended to Hitching by minister - Initials HFG in margin dated 9/2/19.
Page No: 151 Reg No: 302
I have checked the original and the macginal notes are dated 9/2/1900 not 9/2/19. That makes at least a bit more sense. So the alteration was made 15 months after the ceremony, not 21 years.
Why? is anyone's guess
Denise please amend.
Dave
Thanks Dave yes very odd at first I thought maybe someone had misheard the name but it seems not to be the case. There was another sister Clara and her marriage is on here as Clara Hitchen. Would there be any logical reason why someone would have looked at Charlotte's marriage months later and amended the name?