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Re: Francis Hawke

Dave T
James, following up on the potential link to Thomas Holy, have you seen the 1758 will of Thomas?
Perhaps more importantly, have you seen the 1757 or 1762 will of his father Daniel?
Dave
Funnily enough I’m at the archives right now looking at them!

Re: Francis Hawke

James Taylor
Thank you - I note that there was a James, son of James, a husbandman, who was apprenticed to Christopher Greaves, a filesmith, in 1758 and granted his freedom in 1763, although this would put his aged at 21 when he started his apprenticeship.
The James Vickers who started his apprenticeship in 1758 was very unusual. His apprenticeship was to be for only 11 Months. That probably means he was 20/21 when he started it. So he could have reached 21 by November 1758 when he presumably qualified, and at the same time would qualify to marry (which he did in Nov 1758).
Please note he PURCHASED his freedom 1763. No one was GRANTED their freedom. They purchased it when they chose to do so (provided they had already qualified by completing their apprenticeship).
Just one of many examples: my ggg grandfather qualified by completing his apprenticeship in 1820 but he chose not to purchase his freedom (ie purchase a trade mark) until 1842.
dave

Re: Francis Hawke

Dave T
James Taylor
Thank you - I note that there was a James, son of James, a husbandman, who was apprenticed to Christopher Greaves, a filesmith, in 1758 and granted his freedom in 1763, although this would put his aged at 21 when he started his apprenticeship.
The James Vickers who started his apprenticeship in 1758 was very unusual. His apprenticeship was to be for only 11 Months. That probably means he was 20/21 when he started it. So he could have reached 21 by November 1758 when he presumably qualified, and at the same time would qualify to marry (which he did in Nov 1758).
Please note he PURCHASED his freedom 1763. No one was GRANTED their freedom. They purchased it when they chose to do so (provided they had already qualified by completing their apprenticeship).
Just one of many examples: my ggg grandfather qualified by completing his apprenticeship in 1820 but he chose not to purchase his freedom (ie purchase a trade mark) until 1842.
dave
Thanks Dave - makes sense!