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I’m stuck with one of my ancestors, James Vickers (c1737-1809), so I’ve been researching his acquaintances. This lead me to look at Francis Hawke, a filesmith and fellow Methodist, who was buried in Sheffield on 25th October 1805.
From “Reminiscences of Old Sheffield”, Hawke’s sister was James Vickers’ first wife. Another sister of Hawke’s married Josiah Stephenson.
I’ve found a record for John Vickers (who possibly was James’ son) marrying a Sarah Hawke in Sheffield on 29th Feb 1788. Witness was George Butcher (and from James Vickers will at National Archives was possibly John’s brother-in-law), but struggling to break through - looking for any records relating to Francis Hawke, his sisters and their husbands - thanks!
Possible marriages for Francis include Ann Rogg in 1760 and Keturah Hoole in 1786.
James VICARS, baptised 8 July 1737 Sheffield P.C. Father, James a labourer.
There are three more baptisms on this site under 'Vicars' with the same father.
Thank you - I note that there was a James, son of James, a husbandman, who was apprenticed to Christopher Greaves, a filesmith, in 1758 and granted his freedom in 1763, although this would put his aged at 21 when he started his apprenticeship.
A Francis Hawke, son of Francis, filesmith was apprenticed to his father and became Freeman in 1786
That would imply that the marriage in 1786 to Keturah Hoole was Francis the son and the 1760 one, to Ann RAGG, was Francis the father.
Not sure if I am on the right track but here goes....
James Vickers, filesmith married Lidia/Lydia Crooks, 7 Nov 1758 at Sheffield P.C.
Hannah Vickers d/o James, filesmith, bap 5 Nov 1759 Sheffield P.C.
James Vickers s/o James, filesmith, bap 24 Feb 1762 "
Mary Vickers d/o James, - bap 21 Aug 1765 "
Lidia Vickers d/o James, filesmith, bap 22 Feb 1771
Lydia Vickers wife of James, metalsmith, buried 8 March 1802 Sheffield P.C.
Archbishop of Yorks Marriage Licences.
James Vickers aged 67 (1737) of Sheffield and Sarah Roberts aged 59 of Sheffield.
Licence date 11 September 1804.
Intended Marriage place, Sheffield P.C.
James Vickers otp, Widower and Sarah Roberts otp, Widow, by Licence 13th September 1804.
Witnesses: James Benton/Barton?, Mary Youle and Elizabeth Butcher.
James Vickers, white metal smith, buried 12 April 1809, Sheffield P.C.
Probate: James Vickers, May 1809, Sheffield, Administration and Will.
When James married Lidia in 1758 Lidia was a spinster.
Is a filesmith and metalsmith the same occupation?
I am wondering could the lidia whose burial was in 1802 in fact be a different lidia and she in
fact was the wife of James who was baptised in 1762?
just a thought thats all
A metalsmith was simply a person who made things from metal. A Blacksmith made things from Iron and Steel. A tinsmith made things from tin. Ditto for goldsmith and silversmith When a new metal alloy came along they coined a new word to describe him.
So a worker in an alloy, whatever the mix, would be generally described as a metalsmith. Clearly James stopped being a filesmith and changed his occupation.
It seems to me that all the pieces fit together
James, following up on the potential link to Thomas Holy, have you seen the 1758 will of Thomas?
Perhaps more importantly, have you seen the 1757 or 1762 will of his father Daniel?