Thanks to everyone who has helped in my Quest to find information on Harry Smith, I have managed to trace his movements to Lyttleton on the South Island of New Zealand. I have been in touch with
Local libraries and Archive sites but without much success there was a suggestion that he may have moved on to Australia.Thanks once again
Jim

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Jim,
Elaine has provided some info to me.
I assume from your original question you are already aware of the Marriage announcement of Harry Smith of that address in the Sheffield Telegraph of 8th March 1917, and of the Marriage cert (7th March) at St Cuthberts.
Please confirm. If you do not have them then I will supply all the details. I see your problem in that his parents are just named as Mr and Mrs Smith.
Dave

That's right Dave just Mr
& Mrs Smith but father is Harry as well, Vickers Road is all that is mentioned.

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could Harry 1893 have been born in Nottinghamshire?

1901 census for 16 Matilda Street, Sheffield

Harry Smith aged 8 living with parents Harry Smith aged 32 born Oxfordhire and Matilda Smith also 32 born Nottinghamshire Harry snr was a labourer/electrical engineer.

There were also two daughters Mary born 1890 and Ellen born 1895

before I go any further could this be your family?

I have no idea about Nottingham
or any Siblings.Im sure if we could access a 1917 street Register or Elctoral register for Vickers Rd this would clear things up.Harry Senior is on the marriage Certificate as a foreman Engineer in Steel works.Harry junior is In R.A.M.C.

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Jim, a couple of observations if I may.
1. The south view one has another problem. That Harry senior was a worker in the piano industry in both 1911 and 1891 (brass was his metal) so not an engineer in the steel industry.
2. The story about running away to New Zealand is unlikely to be the whole truth. It was very common for a man to emigrate leaving his family behind, with the intention that they would follow him once he had established himself in work. If he did that, he would not be the first to pass away soon after arrival, thus preventing the next step.
If he had run away I would not expect him to give his correct address on his ticket. Even in New Zealand the law could reach him to provide for his family back home.

Dave

Hello Dave T as i said it was only What my wife was told mainly by her Father who was only 3 when he left but she believes he had gone to set things up as well.I am only an in law and was never told anything.

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Hi

In the Sheffield Daily Telegraph 19 Sept 1932, there is a description of the funeral of Harry Dennis Smith. He was a well known Congregationist-a deacon of Queen Street Congregational Church. A native of Nottingham, owned a motor business and held positions in Birmingham, Leicester, Luton and Bedford before settling in Sheffield. No mention of family.

Sue

Hello once again to the good people who have helped me in my research to find my wifes Grandfather Harry Smith i would like to give an update on what i have found out since i was last on here :-
In 1921 Harry Smith left England for New Zealand and arrived there on 1/10/1921.
It was rumoured that he had died there just after arrival but there is no record of that.
In 1926 or 28 There is a passenger record from the
"Largs Bay" with Harry Vivian Smith an Engineer sailng to Hull via Brisbane and Southampton it gives his proposed return address as 32 Vickers Rd Sheffield this is his Fathers House.He gave a middle name of Vivian this is the 1st time I'd seen a middle name but it is his eldest sons name so must be right i think.Now he is back in England is there anyway I can track his movements and whereabouts.The ship Largs Bay arrived in Southampton on 31/7/26 or could be 28 as date stamp is unclear.
Many thanks to everyone who has helped so far.
Jim

Hello once again to you All, further to my last post I have more information on Harry Vivian Smith:-
After a short time back in England he acquired a job with
Spafford & Co of Sheffield as an overseas Rep and returned to New Zealand in late 1926, in 1931 he remarried in New Zealand but what i am trying to find out now is did he get Divorced from his 1st wife Vera Gladys Smith nee Bailey between
1921 and 1931.If someone could point me in the right direction on how to find out I would be very grateful.Jim

Jim
Can you tell us when, where and under what name Vera Gladys died please?
Dave

Another lead to check out-Vera Gladys Smith married Leslie g Field in 1935. According to a tree on Ancestry she died in Birmingham 1965.

Hello Thanks for replying to my query, Vera Gladys Smith remarried in Bimingham to Leslie Field in 1935 so became Vera Field .Harry Vivian Smith remarried in 1931 to
Ada Janet Aileen Pullar in New Zealand.Vera died in Birmingham in 1965 and Harry in 1973 in Dunedin New Zealand.

Jim
The only way they could have divorced in that period is on the grounds of adultery by one of them, and that would have to have been proven or admitted to the court. Therefore I would suggest that submission would have been made to the court in that short period of a few weeks that Harry was in Sheffield in late 1926. Most likely Harry will have admitted adultery, whether or not it was true.
To see how it worked after the Matrimonial Causes Act of 1923 you need to read the Wiki entry for A.P Herbert who as a private member created the Matrimonial Causes Act of 1937. A significant part of his case was a novel he published called Holy Deadlock in which the adultery admission usually by the man to avoid the embarrassment by the woman was routinely used
Dave

That's an interesting fact Dave T but if he did admit adultery would it be recorded somewhere that could be viewed.Jim

It looks like there may be records at the National Archives at Kew. I guess that means a visit when they reopen.
It may be worth making contact to establish exactly what they have.
Dave

Jim
What did Vera say was her condition when she married again?. There may be a clue there.
Either they divorced or they each committed the criminal offence of bigamy.
Dave

If Harry disappeared to NZ perhaps she had him declared dead after 7 years leaving her free to marry in 1935.

I think I'm going to have to get Vera's Marriages Certificate to Leslie Field to see if she stated divorced or Widowed because family stories always said he had died in New Zealand.If he had no contact with her for more than 7 years surely before she married again some proof of either her being a widow or divorced would have been required.

There would be no requirement for proof of what she declared at the marriage.
Dave

Is there anyway I can check on line ?

The Kew Archives website states categorically they do not have divorce records.
They say such records are kept by HM Courts and Tribunal Service and provides email addresses where you can request searches. A 10 yr search costs £45.