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Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Stinkwell....

Payment for water, sewer and trash collection are "fees for services" not taxes. Just because you pay these fees doesn't give you the right to have a say in how they are spent.
It's not "taxation without representation". A man with your perceived knowledege of government should know better than that.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

DUH if he had a small repair shop and owned it he would be paying taxes woluden he?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

I believe that Leham was stating that BG wanted to speck for all the Town citizens. That alone is not right. One person can not represent the entire Town.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

kornfused...

Take you time and read slowly.

I said, Payment for water, sewer and trash collection are "fees for services" not taxes.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Wastewater and garbage fees are treated more like taxes than fees for service:You must pay them whether you use them or not. That is the argument now.The state code reads that the town may (MAY) charge if they are not used, but in Durbin it means "Must". Other small towns nearby do not charge when utilities are not used. I disagree that the utility users have no say in how the money they pay is to be used:If it is used for purposes other than maintaining the utility,making improvements and extending the service, then the utility must ask for a raise which they cannot be denied. Durbin is a corporation and is the owner of the sewage system. Has anyone asked if that makes the utility users liable for the mis deeds of the town government,such as not repairing,still contaminating the river etc? ?Can the users property be seized if the loan is not paid back? Or was there a provision in the contract which prevents these events from happening? In summary, you have to have a multifacet brain to deal with Durbin and the problems of health and government which it presents.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Durbin,the land of dissent
Wastewater and garbage fees are treated more like taxes than fees for service:You must pay them whether you use them or not. That is the argument now.The state code reads that the town may (MAY) charge if they are not used, but in Durbin it means "Must". Other small towns nearby do not charge when utilities are not used. I disagree that the utility users have no say in how the money they pay is to be used:If it is used for purposes other than maintaining the utility,making improvements and extending the service, then the utility must ask for a raise which they cannot be denied. Durbin is a corporation and is the owner of the sewage system. Has anyone asked if that makes the utility users liable for the mis deeds of the town government,such as not repairing,still contaminating the river etc? ?Can the users property be seized if the loan is not paid back? Or was there a provision in the contract which prevents these events from happening? In summary, you have to have a multifacet brain to deal with Durbin and the problems of health and government which it presents.


Could you please name the 'other small towns' that don't charge for utilities? And, can you show proof that the river is being 'contaminated'?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

You are still misinformed. The sewer is sampled and tested by a certified lab. The results are filed with the Health Department and Town. If all this so called contamination existed, then the DEP would be in here faster than lighting, and I know that something would be done, no matter how much it cost.

As for spending, If you have never seen the finances than you cannot judge. To operate and maintain anything these days is expensive. What are you thinking?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

There is a great difference in "not paying for utilities" and not charging utility fees when the homeowner is gone on a vacation and therefore not using the utilities. In one case, the water meter is turned off ,so there is no fee for either water or sewage until the home is lived in again. When the homeowner or dweller returns, then a fee is charged to turn the water meter on again. Durbin should try this approach. The GreenBrier river which flows through Durbin would be contaminated by the sewage from Frank and Bartow.If the EPA routinely monitors the water for the presence of EColi, where do they publish the reports? I have never seen them.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Where do you live? The rates are based on the amount of customers. The more customers that are paying, the lower the rates. So base your information on amount of customers more than other places. Also maybe you need to compare the whole West Virgina rate system which ranks each utility from 1 to whatever as 1 being the lowest rate. You will find this on the Public Service Commission of WV homepage under sewer rankings.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Right--- Which is why the town should get more customers instead of sticking people who do not use the sewer. PSC allows rate increases if there are not enough funds to pay for maintenance and emergencies. We should not have to pay higher sewer rates because the town hired an attorney to take a ridiculous case to a higher court. The whole group of customers should bring suit against the Mayor who saw fit to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Durbin,the land of dissent
Right--- Which is why the town should get more customers instead of sticking people who do not use the sewer. PSC allows rate increases if there are not enough funds to pay for maintenance and emergencies. We should not have to pay higher sewer rates because the town hired an attorney to take a ridiculous case to a higher court. The whole group of customers should bring suit against the Mayor who saw fit to make a mountain out of a molehill.


So are you admitting that you are misleading people with your statements. You said that small town near Durbin weren't charging for utilities and you suggested the Durbin sewer was contaminating the Greenbrier River. Could you please post proof of these statements?

It is my understanding that there is around $13,000 owed to Durbin by people who have not paid their bill. They lost the case, they should pay. Even if the new council votes to not charge people who don't use the water system with a sewer bill, past council did charge and the $13,000 owed should be paid in full.

$13,000 is not a molehill!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Are you a competent reader and thinker? No one said or wrote that small towns do not charge for utilities: You know what was written: Durbin formerly did not charge for houses not connected or not using the utility.Yet the loan was being paid off and the utility was maintained.Fairness and goodwill existed in some degree. Now,there is a sum of 13,000? What is the money to be used for? ?Are you not supposed to be on the new forum with your accusations? If you are a non resident and non user of the utilities and not a Durbin property owner,why are you sounding forth on this controversy?How do you rate yourself on fairness and honesty?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Wow, the nonpaying cases needed took to court.

As for the rates increasing, it had nothing to do with the attorney. By the way no rate increase has been decided at this time!!!!!! He did a very good job for the Town. People only need to accept the facts and get over it.
Yes the Town did operate before and pay their loan, but that's about all they did. They had no money to do anything with, and therefore that is why everything is in need of repair or replacement at this point. The ordinance was broken by the former Mayors, it clearly states that everyone must pay that is connected. Ah yes and one more point, if you live in Durbin, it is a mandatory connection. It is against the Health Department to disconnect, as some were aloud to do. People really need to get the facts before, judging others.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Sewer rankings. Durbin ranked 213 out of 340 in WV


MUN DURBIN, TOWN OF 35.50 19.50 BLOCK POC 213
MUN RANSON, CITY OF 35.64 15.74 BLOCK JEF 214
MUN BENWOOD, CITY OF 35.81 14.83 BLOCK MAR 215
MUN WELCH, CITY OF 36.00 24.00 BLOCK MCD 216
PSD GREEN VALLEY-GLENWOOD PSD 36.24 16.64 BLOCK MER 217
PSD CRAB ORCHARD-MACARTHUR PSD 36.51 16.49 BLOCK RAL 218
MUN CAMDEN-ON-GAULEY 36.60 25.23 BLOCK WEB 219
MUN EAST BANK, TOWN OF 36.63 16.28 BLOCK KAN 220
PSD PEA RIDGE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 36.66 19.35 BLOCK CAB 221
PSD CRAIGSVILLE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 36.80 26.31 BLOCK NIC 222
MUN SHINNSTON, CITY OF 36.92 18.14 BLOCK HAR 223
MUN BURNSVILLE, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 37.04 16.45 BLOCK BRA 224
PSD SPRING VALLEY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTR 37.08 11.94 BLOCK CAB 225
PRI THE LAGOON, LLC 37.13 16.50 BLOCK GRA 226
MUN BUFFALO, TOWN OF 37.50 20.00 BLOCK PUT 228
MUN NEW MARTINSVILLE MUN UTIL (COUNCIL) 37.50 37.50 MIN WET 228
PSD NORTH BECKLEY PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 37.64 18.14 BLOCK RAL 229
PSD SUMMIT PARK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 37.80 22.38 BLOCK HAR 230
MUN DUNBAR, CITY OF 37.86 18.98 BLOCK KAN 231
PRI STANAFORD ACRES SEWERAGE SYSTEM,INC 37.88 27.75 BLOCK RAL 232
PSD GLEN ROGERS PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 37.89 17.46 BLOCK WYO 233
MUN NITRO, CITY OF 37.90 18.50 BLOCK KAN PUT 234
PSD FRANKFORT PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 37.91 26.04 BLOCK MIN 235
PSD GREENBRIER COUNTY PSD NO. 2 37.98 25.32 BLOCK GRE 236
PSD SHADY SPRING PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 37.99 12.44 BLOCK RAL 237
PSD LUMBERPORT AREA PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 38.03 25.36 BLOCK HAR 238
PSD KANAWHA FALLS PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 38.33 19.66 BLOCK FAY 239
PSD SCOTT'S RUN PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 38.36 - BLOCK MON 240
MUN HURRICANE, CITY OF 38.38 17.50 BLOCK PUT 242
MUN TERRA ALTA, TOWN OF 38.38 18.40 BLOCK PRE 242
PSD ARBUCKLE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 38.39 25.61 BLOCK FAY 243
PSD MARSHALL COUNTY SEWERAGE DISTRICT 38.50 23.24 BLOCK MSH 244
MUN MARLINTON, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 38.66 17.18 BLOCK POC 245
MUN ST. ALBANS, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 38.77 - BLOCK KAN 246
MUN FLEMINGTON, TOWN OF 38.78 27.00 BLOCK TAY 247
MUN MIDDLEBOURNE, TOWN OF 39.05 29.88 BLOCK TYL 248
MUN PARKERSBURG, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 39.37 - BLOCK WOO 249
MUN WINFIELD, TOWN OF 39.38 17.48 BLOCK PUT 250
PSD HUTTONSVILLE PUB SER DIST 39.39 27.33 BLOCK RAN 251
PSD CENTRAL BOAZ PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRIC 39.42 12.56 BLOCK WOO 252
MUN BELMONT, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 39.50 39.50 MIN PLE 253
MUN PENNSBORO, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 39.59 18.34 BLOCK RIT 254
PSD OHIO COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 39.62 16.55 FLAT OHI MAR 255
MUN SALEM, CITY OF 39.75 20.00 BLOCK HAR 256
LLC CAVE ROAD UTILITIES LLC 40.00 40.00 FLAT JEF F 258
PSD MARSHALL COUNTY SEWERAGE DISTRICT 40.00 40.00 FLAT MSH 258
ASS RIVER PARK HOMEWONER'S ASSOCIATION 40.00 - FLAT KAN 258
PSD HAMRICK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 40.41 17.97 BLOCK TUC 260
PSD BOONE COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRIC 40.49 18.60 BLOCK BOO 262
PSD WEBSTER SPRINGS PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 40.49 19.26 BLOCK WEB 262
PRI CLIFFSIDE OPERATING ASSOCIATION 40.50 18.00 BLOCK KAN 264
MUN WELCH, CITY OF 40.50 27.00 BLOCK MCD 264
PSD BROOKE COUNTY PUB SER DIST 40.68 36.16 BLOCK BRO 265
PSD GREATER MARION PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 40.73 25.59 BLOCK MAR 266
MUN WESTON, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 41.04 9.12 BLOCK LEW 267
PSD PAGE-KINCAID PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 41.33 33.21 BLOCK FAY 268
MUN RIDGELEY, TOWN OF 41.38 20.00 BLOCK MIN 269
PSD FLATWOODS-CANOE RUN PSD 41.54 18.46 BLOCK BRA 270
PSD COTTAGEVILLE PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRIC 41.67 19.04 BLOCK JAC 271
MUN MONTGOMERY, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 41.72 9.27 BLOCK FAY KAN 272
MUN GRAFTON, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 41.86 12.14 BLOCK TAY 273
MUN CEDAR GROVE, TOWN OF 42.03 19.90 BLOCK KAN 274
PSD BERKELEY COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 42.10 42.08 BLOCK BER 275
MUN ALDERSON, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 42.17 28.11 BLOCK SUM MNR 276
PRI SHENANDOAH JUNCTION PUBLIC SEWER, I 42.26 23.48 BLOCK JEF 277
PSD RED SULPHUR PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 42.57 27.12 BLOCK MNR 278
PSD BERKELEY COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 42.58 24.15 BLOCK BER 279
PSD FRIENDLY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 42.74 29.52 BLOCK TYL 280
PSD NORTON-HARDING-JIMTOWN PSD 42.75 28.50 BLOCK RAN 281
MUN MASON, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 42.80 21.62 BLOCK AS 282
PSD GREATER ST. ALBANS PUB SER DIST 42.88 19.50 BLOCK KAN 283
MUN ANSTED, TOWN OF 43.00 24.02 BLOCK FAY 284
PSD LUBECK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 43.02 7.65 BLOCK WOO 285
MUN BELLE, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 43.21 19.56 BLOCK KAN 286
MUN CITY OF RONCEVERTE 43.22 13.08 BLOCK GRE 287
MUN GILBERT, TOWN OF 43.45 21.00 BLOCK MIN 288
PSD BRAMWELL PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 43.50 29.46 BLOCK MER 289
MUN SMITHERS, CITY OF 43.74 29.16 BLOCK FAY 290
MUN FARMINGTON, CITY OF 44.10 29.40 BLOCK MAR 291
MUN KENOVA, CITY OF 44.12 22.22 BLOCK WAY 292
PSD MOUNTAIN TOP PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 44.52 28.98 BLOCK GRA 293
MUN OCEANA, TOWN OF 45.00 30.00 BLOCK WYO 294
PSD CENTER PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 45.84 27.24 BLOCK WYO 295
MUN MARMET, TOWN OF 46.35 25.70 BLOCK KAN 296
MUN FRANKLIN, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 46.50 15.00 BLOCK PEN 297
PSD CENTRAL HAMPSHIRE PUB SER DIST 46.80 20.80 BLOCK HAM 298
PSD GREATER PAW PAW PUBLIC SER DIST 46.98 20.88 BLOCK MAR 299
MUN POCA, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 47.12 - BLOCK PUT 300
PSD ENLARGED HEPZIBAH PUB SER DIST 47.16 31.44 BLOCK HAR 301
PSD BRADLEY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 47.28 33.06 BLOCK RAL 302
MUN CAMERON, CITY OF 47.36 30.86 BLOCK MSH 303
PSD HUNDRED-LITTLETON PUBLIC SERVICE D 47.61 31.74 BLOCK WET 304
MUN FAYETTEVILLE, TOWN OF 48.35 28.75 BLOCK FAY 305
ASS NEWARK ACRES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION 48.38 21.50 BLOCK WIR 306
PSD GREATER HARRISON COUNTY PUBLIC SERV 48.43 - BLOCK HAR 307
PSD BOONE-RALEIGH PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 48.56 32.37 BLOCK BOO 308
PSD CLAYWOOD PARK PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 48.81 12.67 BLOCK WOO 309
MUN NEW CUMBERLAND, CITY OF 48.95 17.80 BLOCK HAN 310
PSD SUN VALLEY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 49.10 21.58 BLOCK HAR 311
PSD WARM SPRINGS PUBLIC SERVICE DIST 49.29 33.57 BLOCK MOR 312
PSD LOGAN COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRIC 49.50 27.50 BLOCK LOG 313
MUN LOGAN, CITY OF (COUNCIL) 49.85 26.70 BLOCK LOG 314
PSD HANCOCK COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTR 49.89 9.07 BLOCK HAN 315
MUN MILTON, TOWN OF 49.95 24.98 BLOCK CAB 316
PSD SALT ROCK PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 50.60 37.40 BLOCK CAB 317
MUN CLAY, TOWN OF (COUNCIL) 50.90 22.62 BLOCK CLA 318
PSD NORTHERN WAYNE COUNTY PUB SER DIST 51.12 34.08 BLOCK WAY 319
MUN GRANTSVILLE, TOWN OF 51.41 18.37 BLOCK CAL 320
MUN CHARLES TOWN 51.75 15.92 BLOCK JEF 321
MUN REEDSVILLE, TOWN OF 52.44 36.93 BLOCK PRE 322
PSD JEFFERSON COUNTY PUB SER DIST 53.33 26.98 BLOCK JEF 323
MUN TUNNELTON MUNICIPAL SEWER SYSTEM 53.91 35.94 BLOCK PRE 324
MUN SISTERSVILLE, CITY OF 54.00 36.00 BLOCK TYL 325
MUN PINE GROVE, TOWN OF 54.36 54.36 MIN WET 326
MUN HARTFORD 54.86 24.38 BLOCK MAS 327
MUN SHEPHERDSTOWN, CORPORATION OF 55.28 32.80 BLOCK JEF 328
PSD HARDY COUNTY PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRCT 55.40 41.54 BLOCK HAR 329
PSD DEEPWATER PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 55.98 35.07 BLOCK FAY 331
MUN HANDLEY, TOWN OF 55.98 24.88 BLOCK KAN 331
MUN PIEDMONT, CITY OF 58.60 9.75 BLOCK MIN 332
MUN KERMIT MUNICIPAL SEWERAGE SYSTEM 58.75 45.00 BLOCK MGO 333
PSD CULLODEN PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 59.27 39.51 BLOCK CAB PUT 334
PSD BIG BEND PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT 62.55 13.90 BLOCK SUM 335
PRI WILLOW SPRING PUB SER CORPORATION 64.76 35.98 BLOCK JEF 336
PRI JEFFERSON UTILITIES, INC. 70.80 43.20 BLOCK JEF 337
PRI ALPINE LAKE PUBLIC UTILITIES CO. 83.84 - FLAT PRE 338
ASS CACAPON SOUTH UTILITY ASSOCAITION, 200.00 - FLAT MRG 339
MUN CITY OF BRIDGEPORT 636.03 25.00 BLOCK HAR 340

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

What is the rank of which you post? What do you think is added to the discussion by claiming that some people do not have the facts?Is that a polite end to a post?
The town council should make it a point to visit other towns, some large, some small, and view their handling of the sewer and garbage matter, expenses,salaries, etc. Then, posters could not misquote their statements, or leave out important words. Durbin does not seem to make any progress in solving the problem at hand nor in re-establishing goodwill.Perhaps they could learn from other towns:this would be preferable to saying the same sentences over and over again with certain chronic keyboarders suggesting or claiming that lies are told ,and that they have the HOlY Facts: Sewage and garbage issues are often fraught with emotion,which may be more powerful than facts.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

The rank of the above, is based on each utilities rates. The utility with the lowest rates per customer is ranked number 1, then the next highest number 2, and so on. You get the idea.
When and if the rates are changed, the way the council want to change it, will add higher rates to each customer, meaning the Durbin ranking will move up on the list from 213 to about 240 or so, just an example.

Facts are an essential item in any problem. I have heard over and over about getting more customers. Where are they going to get them. Frank Bartow. Do you have any idea how much a project like that would cost just to extend the sewer system up that far? Now your talking cost, and big rates, the customers would have to foot the bill for the extention expense, and not that many customer would be added. Figure it up.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Durbin,the land of dissent
Wastewater and garbage fees are treated more like taxes than fees for service:You must pay them whether you use them or not. That is the argument now.The state code reads that the town may (MAY) charge if they are not used, but in Durbin it means "Must". Other small towns nearby do not charge when utilities are not used. I disagree that the utility users have no say in how the money they pay is to be used:If it is used for purposes other than maintaining the utility,making improvements and extending the service, then the utility must ask for a raise which they cannot be denied. Durbin is a corporation and is the owner of the sewage system. Has anyone asked if that makes the utility users liable for the mis deeds of the town government,such as not repairing,still contaminating the river etc? ?Can the users property be seized if the loan is not paid back? Or was there a provision in the contract which prevents these events from happening? In summary, you have to have a multifacet brain to deal with Durbin and the problems of health and government which it presents.


I read just fine, and I think even better. Just in case you missed it, here is your quote from above, "Other small towns nearby do not charge when utilities are not used." So you DID say that nearby towns don't charge utilities, but you can't provide any proof of that statement.
You also state, and I quote, "Has anyone asked if that makes the utility users liable for the mis deeds of the town government,such as not repairing,still contaminating the river etc? ". Can you please provide proof that the Durbin sewer is contaminating the river?

All I am asking for is proof of your statements.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Mr "Getting it a bit wavy ", yes, You can read the part of a sentence or law which verifies your absurdities: You get your own proof of your unjustified doubts about anothr post. You spewed out your foolishness on the matter of the phantom Upper Pokie County cooperative , knowing the factual situation of where the money actually came from but pretending not to. You are doing the same pretending game here: You know very well what the poster wrote as do the others who read it . You could not misunderstand it if you tried.You claim not to be a resident or a user of the utilities, so who pays what is of no legitimate concern of yours.So why the quarelsome tone? If you believe the water is not contaminated,make lemonade with it or go swimming in it during these warm autumn days. This post started out as a joke to get Norman to run for Mayor.I am all for his mayorship if the law can be changed. You prove that the Greenbrier river is not contaminated and give us the date of the last sampling and where it was sent to be tested.Any high school biology student can do an experiment to prove or disprove the presence of EColi in the river.Maybe you could arrange for one of them to do the simple test at a council meeting.
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Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Thank you for your polite post. Extension of service would not mean higher rates if they are decided by the number of customers: The initial cost of pipes , pumps etc, would have to be covered by a grant, or loan of some type. The county or state would have to give the council some help in such an endeavor. Money for grant writing could maybe even be donated by some ecological group or perhaps the churches.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

I simply asked for proof of the statements that were made. It is apparent that there is no proof.

(Just for clarity, I have no doubt that ecoli is present in the river to some very small extent. It may be possible that I have done some testing for myself. I will let you speculate on that. It is interesting to see the levels east of Durbin compared to west of the sewer system. Maybe you should take your own advice and test it yourself.)

There is no such thing as an unjustified doubt when no proof is offered.

I am not sure what your talking about when you speak of the UPCC. I am familiar with the organization, but honestly can't remember making any comments concerning it.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

But if there is no service, the fee has to be a tax.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Don't worry about the ecoli; worry about the chromium!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

act and fact
Thank you for your polite post. Extension of service would not mean higher rates if they are decided by the number of customers: The initial cost of pipes , pumps etc, would have to be covered by a grant, or loan of some type. The county or state would have to give the council some help in such an endeavor. Money for grant writing could maybe even be donated by some ecological group or perhaps the churches.


Every small town should have someone to assist them in grant writing. I would suggest to seek someone out from your community that could work on this as a community service.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Marlinton extended their water system. Maybe Durbin could do that too!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

The water service was exteded to Frank and Bartow,but there is a strange reluctance to extend the sewer service to them although they are practically all the same town.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Tha strange reluctance may be money and the lack of interest in paying higher fees.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

But what about sanitation and modern living conditions and making the beautiful and unique GreenBrier clean enough for swimming and fishing?Add in ice skating for old times sake. Are the fees higher in the Tygart Valley because of expansion? No. But make a trip over Cheat Mountain and see for yourself.You will find the office staff polite and friendly. If rates are established by PSC according to one poster who seems intelligent and fair,then logic tells us that the Durbin rates would be cheaper,not higher, if the service area were extended, .The startup costs would have to come from a grant or gift from some ecological group as mentioned earlier.I cannot help mentioning that Durbin was given money to defray grant writing costs ,but you know what happened to it.But thank you for your observations.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

How do you figure that rates would go down? Do you really believe that all the money would be grant money? Please lets get real. It will cost alot of money to extend the sewer system, and the Durbin customers would foot the bill in higher rates along with the extra customers. FACT

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

I believe that it was you who posted that the rates were established by the PSc according to the number of customers:that is the higher the number the lower the rate. Did you find out if the people who are your neighbors across the mountain paid higher rates because more customers were added?The people in Frank and Bartow would have to pay sewage rates just as those in Durbin.They would find this a shock at first, but it will happen in years to come. Remember that , due to the incorporated staus,Durbin pays a higher rate of taxes which Bartow and Frank do not have to pay.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Yes more customers lower rate just for Durbin. Not with an extension. That would add addition costs. You should know that it is costly to do anything these days. Lets get real, and stop going around in circles.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

There was a man from the Appalachian Regional Planning Commission came and talked about fixing Durbin's sewer. I believe he estimated it would cost $500,000.00 to $1,000,000.00 to repair. He said that the days of free grant money were gone and that Durbin would be lucky if they got half in grant money. Ask one of the council members that was on council when he was here. To add Frank and Bartow I think it is something like $30 - $50 dollars a foot for the sewer line alone. 3 miles to Bartow at 5280 feet in a mile times #30.00 dollars = $875200.00. If you could get a grant for half of that it would be $437600. So it would add up to say it would be $250,000.00 for Durbin and $500,000.00 to expand to Bartow. That is $750,000.00 that the customers would have to pay back. You are trying to tell me that this wouldn't raise the rates. You need to smell what you are shoveling.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Is it a great effort to be ignorant and insulting, or does it just come naturally? Instead of smart alecky keyboarding , go to Mill Creek and see what was accomplished just this year: take your guru and his figures with you you. Crude remarks may make you look cute to your friends and make you feel witty but they do nothing to further intelligent discussion.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

a futurist.
Is it a great effort to be ignorant and insulting, or does it just come naturally? Instead of smart alecky keyboarding , go to Mill Creek and see what was accomplished just this year: take your guru and his figures with you you. Crude remarks may make you look cute to your friends and make you feel witty but they do nothing to further intelligent discussion.


I believe you need to practice what you preach. The facts are the facts, and you are just stirring crap that is wrong. Huttonsville's flat rate service is 27.33 for sewer and Hillsboro's sewer rates is 30.32 . Thats just two, do you need more????? Yes I did my homework and I know what I am talking about, but I cannot say the same for you.

The above post is correct, Region 4 Planning and Development came in and said exactly that about the grants and loans. FACT again!!!!!!!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

The argument advanced was that rates would go higher if the service area is increased; MILL creek extended service to Huttonsville and on down the TYgart Valley to Beverly. the rate is still a little bit lower than Durbins who has not extended at all.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

A thoughtless thinker
The argument advanced was that rates would go higher if the service area is increased; MILL creek extended service to Huttonsville and on down the TYgart Valley to Beverly. the rate is still a little bit lower than Durbins who has not extended at all.


The rate is lower because total operating expense is divided by more people. There are more people in Huttonsville than there are from Boyer to Durbin. Extending the system would only cause higher rates for everyone. This would cause outrage especailly when you have homeowners that are refusing to pay their bills already, and they are the ones suggesting that Durbin extend the system.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

It is interesting to me that the most recent extension of the Durbin system has not drawn any complaints from the Town of Durbin. They don't seem to mind the Slatyfork extension which is a part of what was the Upper Greenbrier Public Service District and is now the Pocahontas County Public Service District.

Wait till someone over at Snowshoe hollers that the people of Durbin are going to be paying less than th the Snowshoe people. That time is coming and then you will have major complaints. You see the problem is with the way the county commission "consolidated" the sewage system in Pocahontas County. For years, the folks at Durbin were in charge of the Durbin system and they came to be in charge of the Slatyfork extension. Just ask Bill Rexrode and Mark Smith about it.

If the Slatyfork system goes up what is to keep the Durbin system from going up too!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Stinkwell, now you are confusing me:The sewage system is an asset of Durbin,I thought.When did they extend it to SlatyFork? Who gave them permission to do so?How many customers do they now have?The last time I checked, the town spokes persons or "forumers" had a set of excuses ,hilarious and original, as to why they could not extend sewer services to many houses located in Durbin itself.What do you think will happen now?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Lets get real here. The Durbin Sewer system belongs to Durbin. It will not ever be extended to Slatyfork. The Snowshoe sewer system belongs to the PSD. The PSD does not own the Durbin sewer and rates are set by the Town or the Public Service commission. See how things get twisted. The first thing Durbin sewer needs is to replace all their sewer drains and storm drains. As for getting new customers, everyone that can hook up is hooked up and connected to the sewer. Someone keeps going on about the ones that are not hooked up, like across the river, Varners, places. These places will not flow by gravity and to run lines and pumps stations to these places would not be cost effective.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Is Mr. Straight going to apologize for deliberately leaving off a clause which changes the statement and thereby dissembling? Would that be a great lawsuit?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

leaving out a clause
Is Mr. Straight going to apologize for deliberately leaving off a clause which changes the statement and thereby dissembling? Would that be a great lawsuit?


Please explain this statement further. What clause? What statement? Dissembling what?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

How do you get around the problem? It would be highly useful to get all the trailer homess connected: It would be a boon to the bottom line and would stop some of the E-Coli leaching into the Greenbrier.That sounds terribly cost effective to me.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

If you are referring to varners trailers, most are connected, the ones that can be connected. There are only a hand full that are not. Five across the river, and maybe three or four in Durbin. They all have certified inspected septic systems. So what ever you are getting at, its not possible to get around the problem.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Sir/Ms/Mrs; Had you considered charging a tax or fee for septics? That seems as fair as charging the others who are unconnected or who do not use the utility. I saw a quote by Thomas Edison,the inventor recently:"There is a better way.Find it"

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Not even possible,to charge a tax on septics, do to the fact they do not flow by gravity, so therefore are not connected to the sewer, where as the others are connected directly because they flow by gravity. That is not the Towns rule that is the PSC sewer rules and regulations. Your argument has no merit, nor does it have reasonability. These places you refer to, had no other choice than to put a septic in, because it would cost around 4000.00 to 5000.00, maybe more to put pump station in, at the Towns expense and that's just in Durbin.. Lets consider running sewer lines across the river, wow what if the sewer line came apart, no one would no because it would be under the river bed. The crap would be pure going into the river then, unlike the septic which does catch the solids and just drains the liquids. Lets not forget the cost of even considering running sewer lines across the river. (Which will never happen) It is apparently clear that you have no concept of the cost of engineering and construction on any projects. You like most want things done for nothing. Lets get in the real world, and face the real circumstances, in a proper way.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Hey, do not be dogmatic. This started as a post about charging for non-use and I was only giving you an example of other non users whom you may charge.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

I saw a legal notice in the Inter-Mountain that the PSD is seeking the services of an auditor. Maybe they will finally get things straightened out.

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Wrong the PSD has nothing to do with the Town of Durbin's sewer system. Again Nothing to do with it!!!!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Mr. Fact, Pardon me if I do not believe you: You simply do not have the type of knowhow to get the simplest tasks done.You make it sound like hooking up a few homes to a million dollar sewer is in the league of building the Panama canal. Why do you not travel to Canaan and see how they used a modern type of sewage disposal at a very reasonable cost. Also, the remark about someone wanting something for nothing? That was an odd non sequiter or is it "or"?

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Where is this million dollar project you are talking about? Surely not the Town of Durbin!!!

Re: Cat and Dog Fight at Durbin Council Meeting

Why is The Mayor,at the town office everymorning before 6am.what would he be doing at that time of the morning?????

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