I am looking for info re, Maurice Green, born Dec 1893,Ecclesall Bierlow, father Alfred Ernest Green, 1868-1929, mother Harriet, nee Metcalf, 1865-1902, Maurice joined the navy in 1911 and served until 1923.
I have no detail for him after that and would appreciate any info re possible marriage and death etc.

No answers so far Les G. Doesn't mean people haven't been looking.

Can't find him on passenger lists ex UK.

The Navy record J10184 at UK National Archives includes "Joined RTR (RFR?) 20-12 23 CHB /18375". Can anyone help with he significance of those entries.

There is another fudged stamp "Unemployment ... Register No 33298. "

No matching age Maurice Green death in New Zealand.

It is RFR which stands for Royal Fleet Reserve. The ChB is short for Chatham (Boatyard?). The Unemployment Insurance stamp is standard for men on discharge.and the number is simply his number in the register.
The RFR could be significant because this is the man officially agreeing to be called back in a force majeure situation. Such a situation occurred in 1939 on declaration of war, so ASSUMING he was still alive and in uk in 1939 he will have been automatically called back to service. As a result he would NOT appear on the 1939 register(and he certainly does not appear there).

LesG, are you aware of what happened to Maurice and his siblings in 1903 and have you found the details from the Fulwood Cottage Homes please?
It is clear that Maurice must have been sent by the Guardians to a training ship, probably about 1907/8 and from there he continued to enlistment for 12 yrs on his 18th birthday. Note that on enlistment at 18 he already had tattoos on each forearm and a large scar on his left breast.
Dave

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Where were Alfred and Harriet when they died?

Just wondering Maurice enlisted as Green but could he have taken the surname of his guardians when he was discharged?

Just a thought

John

Now reply is working again. Thank you Denise.

A small correction and extra info.
Maurice Green first became a boy on the training “ship” Ganges on 4 Oct 1910 when he was almost 3 months short of his 17 th birthday. Ganges was a fixed station at Shotley near Ipswich. On December 20 1911, his 18 th birthday, his official navy service began as an Ordinary Seaman at Chatham. Shortly thereafter he became an Able Seaman. Throughout his 12 years he had no significant disciplinary issues.

PS the B in ChB may stand for Basin rather than Boatyard.
Dave

Hello Terry, thanks for your reply and your comments, I did find a death for a Maurice in Perth in Australia , March 1969, but I couldn’t convince myself that this was the right person.
Regards
Les

Hello Dave T, Thanks for your reply and your clarification about the Royal Fleet Reserve etc.
I know that his mother died in 1902/3 and as a result he along with a brother Colin and two sisters, Hilda and Elizabeth ended up in Fulwood Cottage Homes.
He is on the 1901 census at H.M.S Antrim, Gillingham, in training, I’ve seen about the tattoos and scar on his service papers.
Interesting about what you’ve said about him being on reserve and possibly serving again in 1939.
Many thanks
Regards
Les

Hello JohnS, Thanks for your reply, father Alfred Ernest died in Leeds and mother Harriet died in Ecclesall..
Regards
Les

Hello DaveT, thanks for the extra info, your message, 12.26Pm, 17 Feb.
Regards
Les.

LesG,
The HMS Antrim was docked (specifically) in Chatham No2 basin at the 1911 Census. Gillingham is the (wider)registration District.

There is a death for a Maurice Green in Perth, W. Aus in 1987 but he was 79. Whoever reported the death did not know Maurice very well because that person could not give his parents' names. Perhaps they got the age wrong? (yours would have been 94 at the time).
Dave

Hi Les, There is an entry on the 1911 census showing he was in Gillingham Kent, born Ecclesall.

Hello Barry, thanks for your message, yes I have a copy of that.
Regards
Les

Les, when Maurice was discharged from the navy in 1923 he was suddenly without his regular income, his free accommodation and his free (or sometimes subsidised) food. All he had was his war gratuity, a lump sum of £29. He was still a young man with thirty or more years of potential earning and he had no pension
He needed to find work quickly. All he knew was being a sailor and effectively he had no family ties In take him back to Sheffield.
The obvious thing was the merchant navy. In post WW1 years uk unemployment was high and the uk merchant navy paid low wages. He could earn nearly twice as much by finding work on ships based in USA or Australia and many discharged sailors made that transition.
This would allow him to travel to either or both of those countries, perhaps regularly and over a long period, and he would not appear on any passenger list.
If he died abroad he would be death registered there and if he died at sea his death would be registered in the ship’s country of origin.
Dave
PS I now have strong circumstantial evidence that IF he remained in Uk he would have appeared on the 1939 register

Hello Dave T, thanks for your message,17th Feb and the bit about H M S Antrim, also the death of a Maurice Green in Perth, W Australia, I had also found one, whilst I cannot convince myself, I just have a feeling that one of them could have been our man.
Re your further message, I think you could well be right about him being in the merchant navy, good thinking, that would account for him possibly settling in Perth and passing away there.
Regards, Les