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Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

A family tree at Ancestry claims a death matching this burial from the records here:
Middleton, Annie E (Married, age 25).
Died at Firvale Workhouse; Buried on November 10, 1896 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 3881, Section GG of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

And that this record is for a daughter
Middleton, Annie (Child, age 4).
Died at 174 Lancing Rd; Buried on January 27, 1891 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 12775, Section X of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

The 1889 marriage:
"Father's name is James Langwith (Hawker)."

The Langwith name too is a bit thin on the ground.

Sheffield Independent 18 Feb 1871 (paraphrase): James Langwith (Balm Green) was one of 4 shoe blacks convicted of playing pitch and toss and obstructing the footpath. Fined 1s 3d & costs but as the money was not forthcoming they were committed to prison.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Helen, no need to get the birth record for Ann Eliza Astrop registered 1871.

The following 3 baptism records, ALL CONSECUTIVE AND ON THE SAME DAY 16th April 1879 at Hollis Croft (FMP) clearly identify the family you are looking for:
Born 10.10 1871 Ann Eliza ASTROP of 7 Ct Pea Croft, mother Mary Elizabeth
Born 5.6.1874 Sarah Ann MITCHELL, of 7 Ct Pea Croft father William (Spring knife cutler), Mother Mary Elizabeth
Born 4.2 1897 Charlotte MITCHELL of 7 Ct Pea Croft father William (Spring knife cutler), Mother Mary Elizabeth.

So William Hitching was actually William Mitchell.

From this you can easily find the family on 1881 census and from there you can follow them on 1891 (with more children), 1901 and 1911. Also because in 1881 William's mother Deborah Mitchell is with them, you can identify William with his parents in 1871, 1861 and 1851.

It really stretches the imagination to speculate how William Mitchell became William Kitching on the 1873 marriage to Mary Elizabeth Hastrop

Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Dave could william have been born illegit then soon after his birth his mother married a Mr Mitchell and on all the census returns etc put Mitchell. If he was born illegit if he was baptised was it as a Mitchell?

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Correction. CHARLOTTE Ws born 1879 not 1897.
Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

The plot thickens:
There is (FMP) a Sheffield Baptism on 16 April 1854 of William Kitching born 16 April 1847 with father William (cutler) and mother Deborah. But 3 yrs earlier on the 1851 census it is William MITCHELL with wife Deborah and son William (3).
It would seem that William was their only child and Deborah was 31 when William Kitching was born.
I wonder if this is a case of an ad hoc adoption by a childless couple and they gave his original birth name when they eventually baptised him age about 7
Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Need to find William kitching on gro to see what mothers maiden name was ie was Deborah a kitching before marrying a mitchell

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Hello John et al,

I am not sure but I think there may be a connection under marriages on this site.
William Hitchin
married August 20 1843 SPC
Deborah Hatfield Calow

HAPPY HUNTING :sleuth_or_spy:

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Great find Wendy. So William Hitchin(g) married Deborah Hatfield Calow 1843 and they had onlychild William in APRIL 1847 and baptised him 1854. But meantime before 1851 they decided that they would go by the name Mitchell.
Deborah is on the 1841 census over to the left (Calon)and she is in our baptisms over to the left, father Joseph, mother Mary.
Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Could William be William Hitching Mitchell or could William have benn up to no good so changed his name?

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Hi Dave et al,
There is also a death record on this site for a Deborah Mitchell (Widow) no age given but on GRO Index the age is 68 which places her birth at 1815.
Death: May(?}1883 Burial: May 24th 1883 City Rd.Cem.
HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Sorry for the silence I have been on holiday. This information is great and I will look into it. All fits as Mary Elizabeth had a sister Ann Eliza born 1863 died 1864 so makes sense its the name of her first child.

The next Asstrop I need to find out more about is Mary Elizabeth's grandfather, John Asstrop, occupation shoe maker on son John's birth certificate 1831 (Mary Elizabeth's father). He died before 1834 which was when his widow Mary (nee Kenyon) remarried a Daniel Norman. Apart from John Asstrop and Mary Kenyon married on here I can't find the birth or death of John.

Many thanks again!I am not sure I would have found this myself.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Hi, just found the marriage of Charlotte to an Edward Proctor on here with the following notes
Notes: Bride's surname & signature first written as Mitchell. Surname amended to Hitching by minister - Initials HFG in margin dated 9/2/19.

Mainly the family go by the name Mitchell but it seems they maybe should be Hitching/Hitchen

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

This record is certainly strange.
PROCTOR, Edward (Bachelor, age 24, Cab Driver, residing at 9ct 9 Duke St).
Married Charlotte HITCHING, on October 10, 1898, by Henry F Greenwood (Banns) at
St John, Park. Father's name is Edward Proctor,deceased (Scissor Grinder).
Married in the presence of Fred Nelson Wood (mark),Emily Wood (mark).
Notes: Bride's surname & signature first written as Mitchell. Surname amended to Hitching by minister - Initials HFG in margin dated 9/2/19.
Page No: 151 Reg No: 302

I have checked the original and the macginal notes are dated 9/2/1900 not 9/2/19. That makes at least a bit more sense. So the alteration was made 15 months after the ceremony, not 21 years.
Why? is anyone's guess
Denise please amend.

Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Thanks Dave yes very odd at first I thought maybe someone had misheard the name but it seems not to be the case. There was another sister Clara and her marriage is on here as Clara Hitchen. Would there be any logical reason why someone would have looked at Charlotte's marriage months later and amended the name?

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

As I said, anyone can guess the reason.
All of Charlotte Proctors children were birth registered with mmn Mitchell. That implies that Charlotte did not ask for the change.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Thanks Dave will update if anything comes up.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Helen, having slept on this I think that either Char.otte or her husband use have requested this change. It could not ha e been done by a yone els
I can only assume that Charlotte believed that if the surname was incorrect, ie not Hitch* , then the macerated would be null and void. Presumably the vicar agreed which is why he put in the amendment.
Maybe the I pending marriage of sister Clara using the name Hitchen highlighted the problem to Charlotte
Dave

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Thanks Dave that makes sense. You found the baptisms of three of the children I have struggled to find any births for any of the children of Mary Elizabeth on GRO. So can't see if they were born as Mitchell or Hitch* If Charlotte or William had requested the change it would mean there were aware that their surname was incorrect.

Re: Mary Elizabeth Asstrop

Helen, The birth of Mary Elizabeth's illegitimate child Ann Eliza HASTROP is on GRO Index in Q4 1871. There is no birth reg for any of her other children
DAVE