One more site to be looked into.

https://genealogie.mu/en/

Elaine.

Thanks everone this gives me more to search. Cheers

back to the marriage, it says that bothe John and Amelia's fathers had died so was James a brother?

can James be found on the 1871 census and hence could give us clues to fining John.

yes James is his older brother but married before him and living with his family. James father died in 1856 so no joy there. thanks