Please can anyone help, been looking for this info for my grandfather for the last 44 years!

Last known info:

1891 Census - Born 26 Sep 1844, Rotherham, Yorkshire Ct 2 H 3 Dixon Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England. Aged 46, occupation fender fitter.

We have him in every census up until 1891: we know his children and marriage details (Elizabeth Simpson)but we cannot find any information relating to his death / burial.

My brother Richard Brant, has asked on many occasions via Sheffieldhistory.co.uk. but no progress made.

This would make us so very happy, if we could finally conclude and put him to rest.

Thank you in anticipation
Ros & Richard

Not the same address, no Brant forename but nearby:
Wednesday, Sept. 28, 1904 Sheffield Daily Telegraph
Yesterday, at the Rotherham Borough Court, Hannah Jane Briggs, 23. single, housekeeper to a man named Brant at 6, Dixon Street, Rotherham, was charged with having stolen between the 1st June and the 22nd September five blankets, two quilts, and other articles belonging to John Woodger, of 8 Dixon Street. Prisoner pleaded guilty. …

While she is described as a housekeeper here, evidence was also given she was destitute.

Ros,
Arthur George Brant's widow is on the 1901 and 1911 censuses so her huband must have died after 1891 and before 1901 censuses.
It is clear from the 1881 and 1891 censuses that he was known as George Arthur, not Arthur George
I suggest you purchase the death cert for George Brant as below

BRANT, GEORGE 47
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 365
Order this entry as a: Order Certificate of selected entry Order PDF of selected entry Order digital image of selected entry
Note it is available instantly on line at GRO Index as a digital image for a mere £3.

Caistor is south Humberside so not very far from Sheffield.
Dave

The George Brant re 1892 was living at 89 Orwell Street, Great Grimsby and buried on 25 Sep 1892 and was a Coal Porter.

On FMP there is a trancript of a Sheffield Magistrates Court record in October 1898 for Elizabeth Brant age 43. She was on a charge of being drunk and disorderly.
I wonder if the original record (Sheffield Archives) will have any more details?
Dave

Dave,

Was thinking do you think George etc could have been up to no good and left and changed his identity? This happened to one of my ancestors (samuel Hardwicke, still not found his death) if you remember and his wife had put widow on the census returns.

your thoughts?

John

John, that explanation is highly likely but unfortunately there is no evidence coming to light fr9m newspapers or workhouse records. His 4 children name him on their marriages. Two say deceased(1895 and 1898) and two do not (1894 and 1896)
Dave

Do we know when Elizabeth died and if so how was her surname written?

The marriage of their last son James (Jim), in 1905 at St Bartholomews, is thought provoking. His father is named as George Arthur Brant, Fender Fitter. No mention of Deceased. Significantly the witnesses are Jim’s mother Elizabeth and his brother Arthur. None of them apparently offered the fact that he was deceased. But the bride’s father is said to be deceased. So clearly the subject was on the table. This perhaps implies that they did not know the situation of George Arthur.
Dave

But, John Henry Brant & Florence Hack 25 December 1895: Fathers are George Arthur Brant (deceased) and John Hack.

Dave,

Input on the burials on this site Elizabeth Brant, then click on find in same grave.

elizabeth died in 1911 so must have married a Brant at some point but look who the plot owner is... Now if we can find out when the plot was purchased might that give us a clue?

John

There's a burial at Burngreave
Elizabeth Brant
grave No R-54
burial date 02 August 1911
purchaser Arthur George Brant
purchaser address 3 Kelvin Place

Hi,
Have you considered the Arthur Brant born Sheffield, living in Coventry in 1901 and 1911.
This Arthur's birth year is abt 1840-1842 and he is a cycle filer.
On the 1901 census he is a boarder and married.
In 1911, he is a boarder but widowed.
He dies in 1914 in Coventry Workhouse and is buried in Coventry-(on FMP).

Sue

So Elizabeth then was not a widow on the census returns it is just that Arthur left her.

John

Thanks for this, however our Brant lived in Sheffield rather than Rotherham.

Thanks Dave, we are aware of George Brant from Caistor, however he is discounted because he is in the 1891 Census living in Caistor with 9 family members whilst our guy is resident in Sheffield Dixon Street on 1891 Census.

Thanks John, this George Brant (Caistor) has a completely different family in 1891 Census as opposed to our guy who is alive in Dixon St Sheffield on the 1891 Census.

Hi Dave, thanks for this. We do have plans to visit the archives soon and will certainly look into this, thanks. Snow and illness have been getting in the way!

Hi, thanks for this. If he has changed his identity for some reason we aren't likely to find him (see out later post about Sheffield Influenza), April - May 1891.

Hi and thanks for your input. She died 31/7/1911 (just after the census). Her name is showing as Brant living at 2 Court Montgomery Terrace Road, Sheffield as a widow. We have actually visited her grave and left a plaque there.

Hi, yes we have been looking at these "contradictions" for a long while and really cannot make sense of them.

Yes, no consistency or sense can be made of it.

Our research shows John Henry Brant is in grave with his mother Elizabeth Brant (Simpson) . The plot was purchased by Arthur George Brant (b 1873 the son of George Arthur and Elizabeth Simpson) for John Henry. Arthur George (born 1873) is buried in Crookes Cemetery, Sheffield.

Yes, this is the son of our missing guy

Hi Sue, thanks for your thoughts. We have revisited George Brant (cycle filer in Coventry) and as yet have failed to reach a conclusion. We are actively scratching our respective heads and giving him more consideration. We intend to further investigate admission records at the workhouse to see if these contain more detail. Thanks

We have also spent a considerable amount of time reading newspaper articles about the influenza epidemic that hit Sheffield April / May 1891 including deaths " across the road" i.e. within St Philips district. There are many pages of newspaper articles most of which give headline figures of deaths rather than any details of the dead individuals.