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Anne Hanley

Jul 11, 2024 - 6:46PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

John S

Another thought.. not had chance to check it out as at work but could percy be infact his middle name ie could his name have been john percy truelove and he was known as percy to avoid confusion and he therefore assumed percy was his first name

That is, of course, a possibility.

We have tried all sorts of combinations of the name Percy, and Percival, without success. Names tend to run in families, so we tried all his children as well.

No luck so far.

Thank you.

Anne

Jul 11th, 2024 - 6:46 PM

Anne Hanley

Jul 9, 2024 - 5:01PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Ooh, thank you! That’s the closest we’ve ever got to finding him!

I’ll be researching that this evening

Thank you

Jul 9th, 2024 - 5:01 PM

Anne Hanley

Jul 9, 2024 - 5:07PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Elaine in Ottawa Canada.

Morning,

A real puzzle.

After looking at the 1901 & 1911 census I wonder if the the Tredegar Iron Coal Company might have anymore info on him?

Do you have the 2nd marriage for him in 1923? Is his fathers name still John???
What was Mary Hannah's fathers name???

Elaine.

The marriage in 1923 was his son. Three of them all being called Percy Truelove is very confusing!

Mary Hannah’s father was George Evans

Thank you for looking

Jul 9th, 2024 - 5:07 PM

Anne Hanley

Jul 9, 2024 - 5:34PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Heather in Holland

Over to the left in the baptism records, there’s a George Frederick Truelove born and baptised in 1874. Father John Truelove, an engine tenter. Mother Mary. Could George have been Percy’s brother?

Heths

I’m so excited by this, thank you.

We don’t know if he had siblings or not.

I mustn’t get too excited, but all the John Trueloves that I’ve researched so far have been spring makers, or cordwainers, or nail makers. To find one that has a connection to engines is exciting, though.

Thank you. Some work for me tonight, I think

Jul 9th, 2024 - 5:34 PM

Hugh

Jul 10, 2024 - 11:04PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

I believe this is the 'George Frederick TRUELOVE' mentioned above.
This is a funeral service in the church followed by a burial in the adjacent municipal cemetery BUT I do not know why the dates are different

'Burial' at Christ Church Attercliffe
TRELOAR, George Frederick (~, age 6).
Died at Attercliffe; Buried on January 2, 1881 in ~ ground;
Grave Number ~, Section ~ of Christ Church Cemetery, Attercliffe.

Burial in Attercliffe Municipal Cemetery
TRELOAR, George F (Son of J Treloar, age 6).
Died at Church St; Buried on December 31, 1880 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 2200, Section D of Attercliffe Cemetery, Sheffield.
Plot Owner: of . Page No J Hissett

The position of the name 'J Hissett' in the second record is odd. perhaps it should have been entered under 'Plot Owner'.

John TRELOAR (engine tenter), his wife Mary, and others under that name, are also buried in the municipal cemetery

Hugh

Jul 10th, 2024 - 11:04 PM

Terry Stock

Jul 11, 2024 - 6:29AM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

"BUT I do not know why the dates are different"

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143982986/john-treloar
has a an image of the well preserved memorial for
George Frederick Treloar 31 December 1880, 6
plus
Mary Treloar, Dec30 1883, age 43
John Treloar, Jan 1 1899, 69
Lillie, May 3 1875, 2 months
George Frederick Dec 31 1880, 6
Thomas John, Feb 9 1881, 17 years & 7 months

George Frederick's mother was formerly Barlow. I don't see a Percy etc Treloar, mother Barlow at GRO.

Jul 11th, 2024 - 6:29 AM

Anne Hanley

Jul 11, 2024 - 9:15AM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Hugh

Thank you for searching. I do appreciate your help.

I looked at Treloar but couldn’t make the connection. However, you seem to have found more than I have, so I’ll look again.

Searching John and Mary Truelove I found baby George Frederick baptism, but then a burial aged 10 weeks. There was another child, Emily, 1876

I’ve tried looking back at John and Mary, to see if I could find an illegitimate Percy connected with the family. I’m still working on that one.

I’ll widen my searches to include Treloar as well as Truelove. I’ll also look at Hissett. Grasping at straws.

Thank you for your help.

Jul 11th, 2024 - 9:15 AM

barry

Jul 11, 2024 - 7:11PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.

Jul 11th, 2024 - 7:11 PM

Hugh

Jul 11, 2024 - 10:11PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

barry

The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.

I think this child died the following year:

GRO Deaths JUN Qtr 1872
Treloar, Benjamin 0
Hartlepool 10a 117

Hugh

Jul 11th, 2024 - 10:11 PM

Anne Hanley

Jul 13, 2024 - 8:13AM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

barry

The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.

I think there must have been a name change for some reason. We have scoured the census records but found no trace. How do you research a change of name in the late 1800’s?

Unfortunately, I think records for Foundling hospitals in Sheffield are sparse. I contacted Sheffield Archives a while back and they said they had no records.

I’ve tried prison records. I’ve looked at all the workhouse records that I can find.I’ve tried employment records. Everywhere is a blank.

I wonder if he had something to hide? Or ran away from something. There are a lot of Trueloves in Sheffield history, and even just trying to draw up a tree for all of them has been difficult.

I really do appreciate you all taking the time and trouble to look for him. Thank you.

Jul 13th, 2024 - 8:13 AM

John S

Jul 13, 2024 - 12:01PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Or it could be that his birth was never registered do not forget it was not compulsary to register a birth until 1875.

when his parents died where were they living as that could help us.

Could also Sheffield as place of birth be not correct

Anne Hanley

Jul 13, 2024 - 1:45PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

John S

I had thought about that possibility. The whole family, from my research, seem to be a bit ‘erratic’.

Ive also wondered about his DOB. All of our searches are relying on him being accurate, or truthful, on his MC. He gave his age on his MC as 24, but maybe he was under 21. Of course, he would have to keep that up throughout his whole life, which has been consistent.

His father may not have been John, or he may not have been an engine driver.

Sheffield may not be accurate, although there are a lot of Trueloves in Sheffield, a lot of John Trueloves too! Just no Percy Trueloves.

We may never know.

Thanks for your help.

Anne

Jul 13th, 2024 - 1:45 PM

John S

Jul 13, 2024 - 6:14PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

Ok this need really checking out it could well be completely wrong though so please be cautious.

Firstly lets forget about the occupation for now and also John being wrong.

In 1876 a Joseph Truelove aged 48 a widower married a Mary Davis aged 28 a widow.

Not yet found Mary's first marriage but forget to check on original her birth name (senior moment)

Could it be that Percy was born to Mary's first father but not found a Percy Davis also Davis is a common Welsh surname.

Could even it be that Percy was born prior to Mary getting married first time round and born Percy -------

As I said could be going down completely the wrong track and if so please accept my apologies.

John

Anne Hanley

Jul 13, 2024 - 7:38PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

This is interesting.

My latest tree (there have been many!) has a Mary Truelove, daughter of Elizabeth Truelove, as Percy’s possible mother. Elizabeth was unmarried when Mary was born, and Mary unmarried when ‘Percy’ was born. So the surname Truelove remained unchanged by husbands.

Elizabeth then married a Timothy Ledger. Mary appears at some point as Ledger, but then married an Amos Lindley, possibly after Percy’s birth. I’ve not have a Davis yet, but it crops up occasionally. Other frequently occurring names are Hill, Hurst/Hirst and Wilson.

Yes, I’ve tried Percy with all of those surnames.

HOWEVER, there was an oral family story of a name change. I’ve discounted it so far, as the change was supposedly *from* Truelove to something else, more Welsh, as they moved from Sheffield to Wales.

Unfortunately, the teller of this story was one generation back, and no longer with us. The present generation have no knowledge of it. I always thought it was Williams or Morgan, but no reason it couldn’t have been Davis/Davies.

No apology needed, I’ll happily accept any ideas!

Anne

Jul 13th, 2024 - 7:38 PM

Heather in Holland

Jul 14, 2024 - 4:56PM

Re: Help me find Percy Truelove, Sheffield, 1871

In the 1881 census John and Mary Treloar were living in Attercliffe. He was still an engine tenter but the only children with them were Frances E (15) Annie E (13) and William H (11)
No Percy! I checked the original image for the baptism of George, and the transcription on this site is correct - the original image definitely says Truelove - but I'm starting to wonder if the minister misheard the surname.

Heths