Another thought.. not had chance to check it out as at work but could percy be infact his middle name ie could his name have been john percy truelove and he was known as percy to avoid confusion and he therefore assumed percy was his first name
Over to the left in the baptism records, there’s a George Frederick Truelove born and baptised in 1874. Father John Truelove, an engine tenter. Mother Mary. Could George have been Percy’s brother?
Heths
I’m so excited by this, thank you.
We don’t know if he had siblings or not.
I mustn’t get too excited, but all the John Trueloves that I’ve researched so far have been spring makers, or cordwainers, or nail makers. To find one that has a connection to engines is exciting, though.
I believe this is the 'George Frederick TRUELOVE' mentioned above.
This is a funeral service in the church followed by a burial in the adjacent municipal cemetery BUT I do not know why the dates are different
'Burial' at Christ Church Attercliffe
TRELOAR, George Frederick (~, age 6).
Died at Attercliffe; Buried on January 2, 1881 in ~ ground;
Grave Number ~, Section ~ of Christ Church Cemetery, Attercliffe.
Burial in Attercliffe Municipal Cemetery
TRELOAR, George F (Son of J Treloar, age 6).
Died at Church St; Buried on December 31, 1880 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 2200, Section D of Attercliffe Cemetery, Sheffield.
Plot Owner: of . Page No J Hissett
The position of the name 'J Hissett' in the second record is odd. perhaps it should have been entered under 'Plot Owner'.
John TRELOAR (engine tenter), his wife Mary, and others under that name, are also buried in the municipal cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143982986/john-treloar
has a an image of the well preserved memorial for
George Frederick Treloar 31 December 1880, 6
plus
Mary Treloar, Dec30 1883, age 43
John Treloar, Jan 1 1899, 69
Lillie, May 3 1875, 2 months
George Frederick Dec 31 1880, 6
Thomas John, Feb 9 1881, 17 years & 7 months
George Frederick's mother was formerly Barlow. I don't see a Percy etc Treloar, mother Barlow at GRO.
I believe this is the 'George Frederick TRUELOVE' mentioned above.
This is a funeral service in the church followed by a burial in the adjacent municipal cemetery BUT I do not know why the dates are different
'Burial' at Christ Church Attercliffe
TRELOAR, George Frederick (~, age 6).
Died at Attercliffe; Buried on January 2, 1881 in ~ ground;
Grave Number ~, Section ~ of Christ Church Cemetery, Attercliffe.
Burial in Attercliffe Municipal Cemetery
TRELOAR, George F (Son of J Treloar, age 6).
Died at Church St; Buried on December 31, 1880 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 2200, Section D of Attercliffe Cemetery, Sheffield.
Plot Owner: of . Page No J Hissett
The position of the name 'J Hissett' in the second record is odd. perhaps it should have been entered under 'Plot Owner'.
John TRELOAR (engine tenter), his wife Mary, and others under that name, are also buried in the municipal cemetery
Hugh
Thank you for searching. I do appreciate your help.
I looked at Treloar but couldn’t make the connection. However, you seem to have found more than I have, so I’ll look again.
Searching John and Mary Truelove I found baby George Frederick baptism, but then a burial aged 10 weeks. There was another child, Emily, 1876
I’ve tried looking back at John and Mary, to see if I could find an illegitimate Percy connected with the family. I’m still working on that one.
I’ll widen my searches to include Treloar as well as Truelove. I’ll also look at Hissett. Grasping at straws.
Another thought.. not had chance to check it out as at work but could percy be infact his middle name ie could his name have been john percy truelove and he was known as percy to avoid confusion and he therefore assumed percy was his first name
That is, of course, a possibility.
We have tried all sorts of combinations of the name Percy, and Percival, without success. Names tend to run in families, so we tried all his children as well.
The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.
The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.
I think this child died the following year:
GRO Deaths JUN Qtr 1872
Treloar, Benjamin 0
Hartlepool 10a 117
The only birth that fits is: TRELOAR, BENJAMIN BARLOW
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 173 Its a posibility he changed his name for some reason.
I think there must have been a name change for some reason. We have scoured the census records but found no trace. How do you research a change of name in the late 1800’s?
Unfortunately, I think records for Foundling hospitals in Sheffield are sparse. I contacted Sheffield Archives a while back and they said they had no records.
I’ve tried prison records. I’ve looked at all the workhouse records that I can find.I’ve tried employment records. Everywhere is a blank.
I wonder if he had something to hide? Or ran away from something. There are a lot of Trueloves in Sheffield history, and even just trying to draw up a tree for all of them has been difficult.
I really do appreciate you all taking the time and trouble to look for him. Thank you.
Or it could be that his birth was never registered do not forget it was not compulsary to register a birth until 1875.
when his parents died where were they living as that could help us.
Could also Sheffield as place of birth be not correct
I had thought about that possibility. The whole family, from my research, seem to be a bit ‘erratic’.
Ive also wondered about his DOB. All of our searches are relying on him being accurate, or truthful, on his MC. He gave his age on his MC as 24, but maybe he was under 21. Of course, he would have to keep that up throughout his whole life, which has been consistent.
His father may not have been John, or he may not have been an engine driver.
Sheffield may not be accurate, although there are a lot of Trueloves in Sheffield, a lot of John Trueloves too! Just no Percy Trueloves.
My latest tree (there have been many!) has a Mary Truelove, daughter of Elizabeth Truelove, as Percy’s possible mother. Elizabeth was unmarried when Mary was born, and Mary unmarried when ‘Percy’ was born. So the surname Truelove remained unchanged by husbands.
Elizabeth then married a Timothy Ledger. Mary appears at some point as Ledger, but then married an Amos Lindley, possibly after Percy’s birth. I’ve not have a Davis yet, but it crops up occasionally. Other frequently occurring names are Hill, Hurst/Hirst and Wilson.
Yes, I’ve tried Percy with all of those surnames.
HOWEVER, there was an oral family story of a name change. I’ve discounted it so far, as the change was supposedly *from* Truelove to something else, more Welsh, as they moved from Sheffield to Wales.
Unfortunately, the teller of this story was one generation back, and no longer with us. The present generation have no knowledge of it. I always thought it was Williams or Morgan, but no reason it couldn’t have been Davis/Davies.
In the 1881 census John and Mary Treloar were living in Attercliffe. He was still an engine tenter but the only children with them were Frances E (15) Annie E (13) and William H (11)
No Percy! I checked the original image for the baptism of George, and the transcription on this site is correct - the original image definitely says Truelove - but I'm starting to wonder if the minister misheard the surname.