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Most of us have a family member who could be termed a mystery i.e they disappeared, but where too ?
My maternal grandfather Thomas Robinson, born in Sheffield 1873 and died in Sheffield 1954 had a brother William who from Census information was born 1870.
I had no information about him other than my Mom telling me he moved to Liverpool.
After all these years of research I appear quite by chance ( Annoyed that I hadn't looked previous ! ) to have found him, I think !!
Looking at the burial information on this site he is shown died at Nether Edge Hospital aged 71 and was buried January 26th 1937. His wife Nellie is buried in the same grave in Norton Cemetery. From the burial information, William appears to have been born in 1866
Nellie died at 38 Heeley Green, this was the home of my grandmother Lily Robinson nee Dale when she married.
I am somewhat confused by other Robinson's in the Norton Cemetery grave No 2B Section SA
I haven't come across Margaret Nelly, Mary and Robert before.
Are there Robinson descendants of William and Mary out there ?
The marriage shown on this site of William Robinson to Nellie Jackson 17th July 1910 is not my William. William's father was John James and not William as shown on that marriage entry.
Apologies folks, should have asked if there were any descendants of Willam and NELLIE !
Not related but looking on the 1891 census Robert was the son of William and Nelly and so was John C whose children are buried in the grave.
looking on the GRO website the only Robert Robinson I can find that matches is Robert born late 1888 with a mothers maiden name Smith.
1886 William Robinson married a Nelly Smith
Does that help in any way?
John
Hi John and thanks for your reply
This situation is going to take some sorting out.
Unfortunately it will be to my satisfaction only, with My Mom, her sister and 2 brothers long gone !
Hi Roger,
Is this the marriage of William you are talking about?
ROBINSON, William (Bachelor, age 24, Drayman, residing at 15 York Rd Darnall).
Married Nellie JACKSON, on July 17, 1910, by William M Irwin curate (Banns) at
Holy Trinity, Darnall. Father's name is William Robinson (Driller).
Married in the presence of Edward Jackson,Lucy Jackson.
You will note that the fathers name is William.
The Grave at Norton Cemetery is #28 3A not 2B.
The children you mention have a fathers name of John C.
Elaine.
Your Thomas Robinson b 1873 Sheffield mmn BOLDEN
He had a brother John William birth reg march 1871 mmn Bolden
A John Robinson married Mary Ann BOULDING in 1861 Sheffield (marriage on this site)
The family is on the 1891 census where John William is just William.
A John William Robinson (father name John) married Sarah Convey in West Derby (liverpool) in 1902.
They are in West Derby in 1911 and John William is a cutler born SHEFFIELD.
He died liverpool 1941.
I believe he is the man you are looking for
Dave
Hello again Dave
One step at a time with this
On the burial section of this site there is a Nellie Robinson wife of William age 47 buried in the same grave as her husband i.e. Norton No 28 Sec SA
Nellie died at 38 Heeley Green. As i commented in my post of Nov 29th 10-14 pm, that was the
address of my grandmother Lily Robinson nee Dale when she married.
I therefore assumed that there was a family connection i.e William the brother of my grandfather Thomas with his wife Nellie
Could it be and it appears likely that we are talking about 2 separate Robinson families !
Hope that makes sense !
Back to you
Roger
I think the purchase of a marriage certificate would provide an answer
Roger
Just looking through my Robison information
In the 1891 census at 229 Allen Street in Sheffield
William is shown aged 4 months
This is more than good evidence of the year of birth of William
Roger, the marriage cert for William Robinson b 1866 who married Nelly Smith is available on line. He declares his father as Charles. That William is not the brother of your Thomas.
THE 1891 Census in Abbeydale Road has John Robinson (scale cutter) and his wife Mary Ann with many children including Thomas b 1873 and William b 1871.
The GRO index shows all the children mmn Bolden and the marriage of John Robinson to Mary Ann Boulding is available on line. Their son born in 1871 was actually John William.
JOHN William, cutler, married twice and both certs are available on line. The first in 1891 Sheffield to AnnHansen. His father declared as John, a scale cutter.
The second in 1902 West Derby, John William b1870 a cutler, widower, married Sarah Ellen Convey, spinster. JOHN WILLIAMS father was John, A Scale cutter. BY 1911 CENSUS THEY HAD 5 CHILDREN, ALL CONFIRMED ON gro mmn Convey and John William was born Sheffield.
Dave
PS John W Robinson died 1941 Liverpool S age 70. ON 1939 register he is alone in Liverpool and gives birthday as 10 Dec 1871. Actually he was a year out. It was 1870, making him 4 months old at 1871 census. His birth reg was in March 1871.
Dave
Correction. His first marriage was to ADA Hanson, not Ann
Hi Dave and many thanks for your help, more than I thought and a mystery cleared.
However I am still confused by the existence of the other William and his wife Nellie and the fact that Nellie died at 38 Heeley Green the home of my grandmother Lily when she married
SAME ADDRESS BUT NOT SAME time. The events were separated by 20 yrs or more.
JUST A COINCIDENCE
Dave