This couple are in Hutton Cranswick with 2 children on the 1861 census. We know the correct Richard was in Sheffield in 1861.
Dave

Hi Lyn,

I am sure that your research will be correct...as always.

You know we love a challenge and this is certainly going that way.
But thanks for the referral.


Elaine.

the death cert for Mary Coleman states wife of Henry Coleman (general dealer) and was registered by Lucy potter present at death

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Henry Colemans death was registered by his daughter Ann howsham fletcher he died in the union workhouse

Hazel
I know you have the birth cert for Jane Potter in 1872. Who registered the birth and what was the birth address please?
Dave
PS Wow Denise, great find

Lucy potter registered it and it looks like 20 OBORNE STREET BRIGTSIDE BRIELOW

Just to add one more child for Richard.

POTTER, Jane Ann (Dau of Richd Potter, age 2 years 10 months).
Died at Nursery Street; Buried on October 21, 1865 in General ground;
Grave Number 29, Section T5 of Burngreave Cemetery, Sheffield.

Elaine.

In 1871 at 20 Oborne Street Brightside is an Epworth family. So Lucy had not yet moved there.
Dave

PS great find Elaine

Hazel
I have checked the Nursery Street entries on the 1871 census and there are several blocks of numbers missing I suspect that Lucy (perhaps with Richard) was in one of those missing houses.
Dave

Dave/Denise,

Does this fit in with any of the research you have seen.

POTTER, Joseph (Widower, age 30, Striker, residing at Brightside).
Married Sarah Ann PEARSON, on March 22, 1874, by Thomas Hulme (Banns) at
St Thomas, Brightside. Father's name is Joseph Potter (Carter).
Married in the presence of William Potter (mark),Ann Hall (mark).
Notes: Groom signed with a mark.

This family are certainly confusing. Needs a flow sheet to keep them all sorted.

Elaine.

Hi Elaine

I've looked at the father Joseph Potter, Carter. His wife died in 1875. So he could potentially have hooked up with Lucy. He then died in 1879 (the one Hazel found).

So all that fits in theory. But, if its him and he was only with Lucy for about 4 years would the girls have referred to him later as father?? Maybe Jane if he was all she knew.

Possible but I haven't yet found anything else to tie it in. So I've parked him for now.

Given Richard was born in Scarborough and we don't know anything else about his earlier life, we don't know if he had children from his first marriage. Maybe he did and they were back near Scarborough. He could have left Lucy to go back?

Denise

has a marriage been found yet between a coleman and a whatton

No, but the name may have been Wattam based on her 2 older brothers' birth registrations.

The only marriage I found for a Henry Coleman and a Mary Whattam (various spellings was) -

Mary Watton
Gender Female
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 15 Apr 1824
Marriage Place Saint Leonard, Shoreditch: Shoreditch High Street, Hackney, England
Spouse Henry Coleman
Register Type Parish Register
I had done my research years ago before the advent of computers etc. I think I got it from the IGI - now it does show on ancestry.
Both Henry b c 1798 and Mary were born in Leicestershire as it states in the census.

Familysearch gives us Henry Coleman Coleman
Birth Date 25 Apr 1797
Religion Anglican
Father's Name Thos
Mother's Name Sarah
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 18 Jun 1797
Event Place Great Bowden, Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Leicestershire,England,Great Bowden