Where is cecilia buried strange she's not with John.

John was baptised in 1848 so my assumption regarding 1851 etc is wrong

Have you found him on 1851 to 1871 census and do the ages tally with 1848

Hi John

It seems in 1851 & 1861 John is with his parents and shown as being born 1849. And in 1881,1891 & 1901 with wife Cecelia he is shown as being born 1851/1850/1853. So perhaps after his parents death he was not sure of his birth date?

Not sure were Cecilia is buried as yet, but in 1911 she is in Oughtibridge with family as a widow.

Regards

Cecilia died in Mar Quarter of 1921 in the Wortley RD area but as far as I can see she was not buried in Church of Ascension unless the file I have got for this does not go up to the date in question

John

Having just received John Whitham's digital birth certificate. He was born to Henry Whitham & Elizabeth Howe (correct parents) 11 July 1848 Oughtibridge. I have not got his marriage certificate so cannot check what he put down for his age, so can only assume there was confusion by Cecilia with his age at death?

Hi Dave,

Sorry to be late to the conversation...... but.....

I think there are two John Whitham's

Bap. Ecclesfield 31st July 1848 parents Henry & Elizabeth Whitham

Marriage cert. Christ Church Pitsmore.
15th March 1875.
John Whitham aged **24 File Cutter of Fowler St. Father Henry.
Cecilia Newton aged 19 Fowler St. Father Francis.

DOB for John would be 1851???

BUT. Burial Burngreave.John Whitham. 30th June 1893 aged 44 DOB 1849
Headstone photo states 1901 aged 49 = 1852.

I have tried to find John on the 1871 census as I thought that might help with his age but no Luck.

Looking at the children of John & Cecilia they have an Elizabeth & a Henry.
Sooooo I think you have the right couple just leaves the age mess. Stone masons have been known to have the wrong information.

My two centsworth.

Elaine.

OK then have we got the correct john whitham. Ie the john whitham born in 1851 still had parents called Henry and Elizabeth.

If if we have got the correct john whitham born outibridge in 1848 did this one marry someone else and the john whitham that married Cecilia wrong one

Just a thought

John

john would not be the first bridegroom to knock a couple of years off his age when he was marrying a girl 7 years his junior.
He was birth registered early in July 1848 so when he died at the end of June 1893 he would be very close to his 45th birthday.
Dave

We already know that John whitham died 1901 I think like you now he just knocked a few years off his age to show her father there was not a big gap.

Still not found cecilias burial but she died in 1921 just before the census was taken

Hi Elaine

It seems Ancestry have both John & Cecelia on the 1871 as follows....

John Whitham, Gate Yorkshire England, Brother-in-law, but with birth year as 1845

Cecilia Newton, Gate Yorkshire England, Granddaughter, Birth 1856

It does not seem to be on Family Search and I don't have full access on Ancestry to check out. But seeing they are both in Gate it's possibly them.

Regards

You have the birth cert says born 1848. You are 100% sure that's your john if the census returns say born sheffield then I agree

Where were john and cecilia living in 1881? What info does it say...not got access to census at the moment

Morning Dave,

From FMP.

1871 Census Oughtibridge.(Gate) Yks
Francis Newton h.m. 61 Carter born Clowne Dbys.
Hannah wife aged 58 Walby Dbys.
Cecilia Newton granddaughter aged 15 born Sheffield.(1856).

Also in Gate were Thomas Makin aged 32 a file cutter with wife Elizabeth aged 42
Henry Whitham aged 18 son in law born Oughtibridge
Arnold aged 14 and Elizabeth aged 11.

Henry Whitham father of John died between 1861 & 1871.

Hope this helps.

Elaine.

Also in Gate in 1871 was this household:
Henry Whitham Head 35 File Cutter b Oughtibridge
Mary do Wife 35 b do
Sam do Son 9 b do
Clara do Dau 7 b do
Peter do Br in Law 29 File Cutter b do
John do do 26 do b do

Dave

Thanks then so the one born 1848 must be correct because the other john whithams around the 1850s were born in lancashire so he must have told porkies about age unless of course he did not know. We need now to find where cecilia was buried. I think we need to check church of ascension again for perhaps a name transcript error. Might be worth investing in her death cert to see who registered it. She could have died at the asylum in the area too

I think I'm happy with my John Whitham being born 1848 and there was some playing around with his age for whatever reason. I thank you all for your help, it greatly appreciated. Regards David

PS: Hi John. I will probably send for Cecilia's death cert, but it's not on digital copy option so will have to wait for it.

Take care. Stay safe I hear another storm coming.

Ps have you checked the gro website in case she left a will.

John. Need to inform you. Been updating my tree and just realised I do have details of Cecilia's burial location. She is in Birtin Cemetery Plot 296 along with her daughter Sarah (Whitham) Ellison & Sarah's husband Walter. Regards

Thanks for the update, yes delving through the old paperwork it's amazing what you find after x years. Wonder if there is a headstone and makes you wonder why not in church of ascension