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Trying to locate the birth record of Trevor Green born 25 Jan 1938 in Penistone,Nr Sheffield.
Tried all main search websites, General Registry Office, Newspaper Archive etc, no trace.
Mother Dorcas Green.
Do you know his mothers maiden name?
Hi, his mother was Dorcas Green, I believe he was born out of wedlock in 1938.
Dorcas Green went on to marry a Charles Elsey in 1940, but I am led to believe that Dorcas had an affair with Charles Elsey, had a son Trevor, and then married Charles when he was widowed.
Hi, According to the 1939 census he was 7 years old?
How sure are you that Trevor was born in Penistone? When Dorcas married Charles Elsy in 1940 that was at Huddersfield area Penistone was in the Wortley RD if I am not mistaken.
Are you sure too that Trevor was his first name?
I have tried an open ended search for both possible DOB,s (1932 & 1938) no luck.
He was called Trevor.
I am going to order his marriage cert, that should give me his age & father (hopefully)
If you can get someone to check his date of birth on the 1939 register it may help.
Looking at the 1939 Register his birthdate was 25 Jan 1938.
However Dorcas according to the census was not called Green. In 1939 she was a servant called Dorcas M Simpson born 21 Jan 1910 and was still single.
There are two females with the surname Green who are Single 1 Dorothy born 1920 and 1 Agnes born 1917. so could one of these be the mother of Trevor and not Dorcas.
Perhaps Dorcas did marry Charles in 1940 and adopted Trevor hence gave him the surname or could Trevor say for example Dorothy died in childbirth of is Trevor's name registered under Simpson?
who did he marry and when?
I have just noticed this thread and am becoming quite concerned that we maybe giving information to a person that in all likelihood is still alive.
John & Barry if you want to continue helping Audrey could I suggest you do so off
the Message Forum. Audrey is showing her email address.
Thanks Elaine in Ottawa.
Dorcas Mary Green was born 21st Jan 1910 in Wortley. She married Charles ELSEY 1940 in Huddersfield
Dorcas M Elsey married Charles J Bowden-Smith in 1956 in Huddersfield
Dorcas M Bowden-Smith married Norman Simpson in 1968 in Huddersfield
Dorcas M Simpson died 1980 Huddersfield. Birth date given as 21 Jan 1910.
Some clarifications of Dave T’s dates. FreeBMD.org.uk
Marriages Mar 1940
Elsey, Charles, Green, Huddersfield, 9a, 1063
Green, Dorcas M, Elsey, Huddersfield, 9a, 1063
Marriages Dec 1956
ELSEY, Dorcas M, BOWDEN-SMITH, Huddersfield, 2b, 1223
BOWDEN-SMITH, Charles J, Elsey, Huddersfield, 2b, 1223
Marriages Dec 1980
BOWDEN-SMITH, DORCAS M, SIMPSON, HUDDERSFIELD, 4, 1129
SIMPSON, NORMAN, BOWDEN-SMITH, HUDDERSFIELD, 4, 1129
SIMPSON, DORCAS MARY, 21JA1910, HUDDERSFIELD, 4, 1354
Elaine, I am working on the assumption that because Trevor is not redacted on 1939 Register he should be no longer living.
The 1939 register shows Trevor Green (b 25.1.1938) in Penistone with his mother Dorcas Mary Green. It also shows that later (presumably 1940 when she married Charles Elsey) Dorcas officially changed her name ( for ID and Ration Book reasons) to ELSEY (in pencil).Trevor's name Green is also crossed out and changed to Elsey (in red so presumably not at the same time as his mother). So Trevor became Elsey later.
Note that because they were living in Penistone in 1939 we should not assume Trevor was born in Penistone. He may have been born elsewhere then returned to the family home in Penistone.
I wonder if this illegitimate double birth entry (q1 1938) is him:
Green George T H Green Rotherham 9c 1090
Green George T H Green Rotherham 9c see J40
(meaning his SECOND name was Trevor)
Then this marriage in Q2 1959 would fit the surname change.
ELSEY George T H SMITH Huddersfield 2b [9_]31
Seems like a perfect fit.
The "See J40 in the second birth entry for GEORGE H T Green fevers to a late entry made in JUNE Quarter 1940.
NOTE THAT DORCAS married Elsey in March Q 1940 so there is no doubt that George HTGreen was Trevor Green and he became George HT Elsey in June Q 1940
That late entry birth is on Free bmd . GEORGE H T Elsey mmn Green registered Rother Valley June Q 1940.
I have just looked at Marriages for George T H Elsey he married somebody called Smith In Huddersfield on 192 I have found a George Trevor Elsey still living in Huddersfield