That's exactly what I thought Dave. Just wish there someone left to ask!

Another scenario is that either Margaretta or Julia could have been the mother...?

Some more snippets of info:
Slaters Royal National Commercial Directory of Ireland for 1870 lists a Mrs. Jane Vicary at Fair St, Drogheda. This is in the section "Nobility, Gentry & Clergy."

Benjamin died 3 Feb 1885 at City of Dublin Hospital. He was a merchants clerk "late of 89 Lower Mount St and 37 College Green both in Dublin." He left effects of 235 pounds and the primary beneficiary was someone called Benjamin Newport White who was a brewer.

In the 1901 census Margaretta was boarding at the house of Mrs. Margaret Hannan in Kilbride. It gives her place of birth as Wexford, it says she could read and write, was single and had no occupation. Religion: Church of Ireland.

The probate record for Julia Anne says that she died at Ard Aalin Mental Hospital. She was 86 though, maybe she had senile dementia.

Heths

All the scenarios are plausible. But consider this. I have researched a family for a friend. A child was born when the "mother" was a widow. Generations later eyebrows are raised. The truth was the "mother" took in a child of a single mother and treated the little girl as her own and the child became known as a daughter of the "mother".

Going back to my original post has anyone found details of a marriage of major nathaniel vicary to a Jane possibly in India about 1850.

Interested to know where you found the pension records for Nathaniel Vicary?

Susan,
As Heather reported they are on FMP
Also on FMP there is a lot more info about Major N Vicary
1. His detailed sign up papers in 1825 for the Bengal army. Details include his baptism (1805 Dublin), his parents names (Benjamin and Margaret). Benjamin was a solicitor in Wexford in 1825. Nathanial was educated (Classical and Mathematical) in Wexford.

So Major Vicary was at least 25 yrs older than his wife Jane

2. British Newspaper articles (Search surname Vicary, first name Major)
Answers show that he was eminent in the field of Geology (specifically of the slopes of Himalayas in Bengal.
1861 he was inducted as a Member of Royal Geological Society in London

Specifically, on 2 December 1850 there is a report he had just given a lecture on this subject in London.
Note that his daughter Margaretta was born in Nov 1850 but was baptised in CALCUTTA in February 1851 (FMP). So she really was born in Wexford as she later declared. And Major Vicary was already retired in 1850
Conclusion, he took his wife and newly born first child to be baptised in Calcutta. Question: why? Presume that is where his wife's parents were and they wanted to show them their grandchild. All their other children were born Wexford.

3. Search Irish Newspapers for Benjamin Vicary.
Lots of answers
Conclusion Nathanial,s family was eminent there. His father a solicitor, his brother (also Benjamin) became Town Clerk and Mayor.

Dave

I still couldn’t find any marriage for Nathaniel Vicary to Jane. I did find a mention of him in the British Army Dispatch though, which said that from May 16 to October 15 1849 he would be in Subathoo on private business. Could he have got married in Subathoo, bearing in mind the first child was born in 1850?

As they had a son called Charles Napier, I wondered if that was Jane’s maiden name. When I looked into it I found that Lieut. General Sir Charles Napier was the commanding officer who chose Nathaniel to explore the mineral structure of the province. He was quite old and died in 1853. It looks like the child was named after him as a token of respect or affection.

From The Weekly Freeman’s Journal of 10/12/1853 : Dec 3 in Wexford, the lady of Major N. Vicary, a daughter.
This will be Julia’s birth, but why does it say lady rather than wife? Does it mean that they weren’t married? Or that she was a Lady?

Newspaper announcement of Jane’s death: At Warrenpoint, Jan 23rd, Jane widow of the late Major Vicary, Bengal Fusiliers. Internment at Clonallon.

I found the will of Nathaniel’s father Benjamin. His lands were to be held by some clergyman with the rents from them going to a spinster daughter Patience. Everything else (apart from furniture) to go to Nathaniel’s two brothers. The brothers were also to get the land after Patience died. All that Nathaniel got was a bookcase.

Heths

Does anyone have access to an old copy of Who’s Who? This seems to be quite a prominent family, possibly their details might be listed ?

Heths

The Lady of or the wife of were used interchangeably in those days. In Irish Newspapers (FMP) she is wife of or lady of (different newspapers) for Benjamin (1859) and for Nathanial (1855) she is wife. For Charles Napier she is Lady.

I have looked at burial records at Arbory (Family Search)
1927 Margaretta (original image) is in Grave 209
1929 Julia Bertha(original image) is in Grave 198
1940 Julia Anne (transcript) indicates a probate to Florence Bertha's son
1943 No online record.

Someone (Julia Anne and/or Nathanial Q went to a lot of trouble and expense to transfer Florence Bertha from London to burial in Isle of Man, which must have included a sea crossing.
I would thin that if she was daughter of Jane she would have been sent to Newry to be buried with her.
She is not buried in the same grave with Margaretta.
I wonder if she is in with Julia Ann, and I wonder which grave Nathanial Q is in!!
I suspect Julia Ann was her mother, (and I wonder if Nathanial Q was the father)


Possibly an email to the church would get the original details of Julia Ann and Nathanial Q.
The MI's might also be revealing!!
Dave

PS In irish newspapers following the 1863 death of Major Vicary there is a detailed sale of his house contents at West Gate. Another earlier article describes that large West Gate property (which included a Coach House)

This is starting to read just like one of those novels by William Trevor.

From what I can make out, following the death of Major Nathaniel his widow Jane first of all tried to let out their house at Westgate, Wexford. By January 1866 she was at 2 Fair St in Drogheda where she opened a music and singing academy. In March of the same year she advertised that she also taught drawing, French and English.

In March 1880 she gave instructions to sell at auction at "her residence called Musical Academy, Lucan" all her household furniture and other effects, including the piano. By March 1883 she was advertising that she had a school (Seaview, Warrenpoint, Newry) for day boys under the age of 10.

Her knowledge of French, drawing and music indicate that she must have had a good education herself. Whoever she was, she came from a well-off family.

Heths

Dave T: Someone (Julia Anne and/or Nathanial Q went to a lot of trouble and expense to transfer Florence Bertha from London to burial in Isle of Man,...

Florence Bertha died at Douglas:
Mona's Herald, Wednesday, May 15, 1929
DEATHS
MERCER – On May 10th, at Douglas, Florence Bertha Mercer, …

According to the original burial record on Family Search Florence Bertha she died at Nobles Hospital, 16 Ainsdale Rd Ealing, London.
Dave

However there is no matching death registration.
Hmmm?
Dave
Edit She was a nurse. Sp presumably the London Hospital address was her ref address, not where she died. OH DEAR

Nobles Hospital is on the Isle of Man. Address is Strang, Douglas.
The Ealing address was presumably her home.

Heths

My thanks to Terry and Heths for straightening me out.
Back to square one on who was the mother of Florence, though we can probably eliminate Margaretta.
Dave

My thanks to you all, you've found amazing pieces of information. I feel very inadequate. I am hoping to see my friend this week and she will be staggered with all the new details. I will of course have to admit it wasn't me!!
I hope you've all enjoyed this move away from Yorkshire!!:

One final possibility on the identity of JANE Vicary
Heather said in an earlier reply
"As they had a son called CHARLES NAPIER, I wondered if that was Jane’s maiden name. When I looked into it I found that Lieut. General Sir Charles Napier was the commanding officer who chose Nathaniel to explore the mineral structure of the province. He was quite old and died in 1853. It looks like the child was named after him as a token of respect or affection."

What about this from FMP:

Feb 19 1833 Baptism at St John Cathedral CALCUTTA: JANE NAPIER FLEMING b 28 Oct 1832, daughter of the late CHARLES Fleming, Planter? Esq and JANE, NAPIER, his wife.
A lot of coincidences there, and she would have been just 18 when Margaretta was born.
Dave

This may be a red herring, but I was wondering why Jane sold all her furniture and moved up to Sea View, Warrenpoint in 1880 and I found this:

Morning Post London, 1st July 1887
McAnally - On the 26th ult. at Sea View Warrenpoint, County Down, Jane relict of Acheson A. McAnally, surgeon 44th Regiment, Bengal N.I.

Could these have been Jane Vicary’s parents?

Heths

Pleas ignore my last message about the birth of Jane Napier Fleming in Calcutta in 1832. She was actually Jane Napier HUNTER, daughter of the late Charles FLEMING HUNTER and she died in Calcutta in 1839.
Time to give up
Dave

Hi Heather et al,

The definition given for the word "RELICT"
is primarily: widow
but can also mean: survivor

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

I had a quick look at Jane McAnally, the army widow who had died at the Sea View address in 1887. Her marriage to Acheson Archibald McAnally was only in 1849 and so she wouldn’t have been Jane Vicary’s mother. Acheson did have a previous wife and I found records for 3 of their children. I couldn’t link him to Jane Vicary though.

Heths