Hello
could anyone give me any more information about this marriage that took place on 18th March 1832 at Rotherham Minster please.
I have been trying to find father's names in particular.
many thanks
Julie Richardson

Hi Julie

The marriage date was 18 March 1832
William Truelove OTP (of This Parish)
Hannah Walker OTP

William signed BUT Hannah made her mark (X)
Witnesses Js Brailsford and Martha Jessop.

You are unlikely to find their father's names on a marriage certificate before 1st July 1837 when civil registration was introduced. Although sometimes a witness could be a relation.

If you are just starting out I suggest you check out "civil registration of marriages" by googling it.

Angela T

Hi Angela
Thanks for the reply.
I have this info already. was hoping someone may have access to more detailed records.
I have found some pre 1837 that do give fathers name, but obviously not in this case.
Julie

Hi Julie,
Check out Family Search website for William Truelove's parents.
There is what looks like a death year baptism for William.
Born 12th Dec/1812 Baptized:25th Feb/1891
the latter was I believe, the year William died.
Parents: George and Sarah

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

Hi Julie,
Have just found another baptism for a William Truelove on Family Search

Born: 10th December/1812
Baptized: 17th November/1833 at Sheffield Cathedral
Parents: also George and Sarah

Interesting that William married Hannah Walker in 1832...?? I wonder..!!!

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

The William Truelove baptised 25th Feb 1891 was buried 8 days later
TRUELOVE, William (Silversmith, age 78).
Died at New George Street; Buried on March 4, 1891 in ~ ground;
Grave Number 50, Section A of Norton Cemetery, Sheffield.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: ~. Remarks: Removed from Sheffield parish.
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 50

And his wife was Hannah, buried 7 years earlier in what looks like it must be the same grave. Presumably either Section Q or Section A is a transcription error.

TRUELOVE, Hannah (~, age 71).
Died at 67 New George Street, Sheffield; Buried on March 10, 1884 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 50, Section Q of Norton Cemetery, Sheffield.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: . Remarks: Removed from Sheffield parish.
Plot Owner: ~ ~ of ~. Page No 27
Dave

Hi Dave,
You may want to do a check on the 1833 baptism for William Truelove.
On this website, the Nov/17th/1833 baptism has a birth of 12th Oct/1832

The same baptism in 1833/17th/Nov on Family Search has the birth as 10th Dec/1812.

We have what looks like two baptisms(1833 & 1891) for the dame person, unusual but still, believable.

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

Wendy, thanks.
I had noticed that. Also FMP has the 1833 BAPTISM as 1812 birth. So it looks like ours needs checking (it says 1832).
Over to Elaine

Truelove, William (of Sheffield, born 1832-12-10).(SHOULD THIS BE 1812 NOT 1832?)
Baptised November 17, 1833, by Wm Carter at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Sarah & George (Silver Plater).
Note:
Godparents: ~ :Page No 266 :Reg No 2124

Dave

Hi Dave/Wendy/Julie,

Unfortunately I don't have the originals that we used. I believe they were fiche and very very hard to read.

BUT.... I checked out Family Search and S&DFHS

on the 17th Nov 1833 at Sheffield Parish Church

Mary Ann Truelove DOB 26th Nov 1810 parents Sarah & George
William Truelove DOB 10th Dec 1812 parents Sarah & George.

More than happy to change our database if this is the correct family.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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Hi Dave, Wendy and Elaine

Many thanks for all this.

I had already seen most of it, but not the entry for the baptism of William in 1833 which gives parents as George (silver plater) and Sarah.

This could tie in as William was a silver worker on Census and on his son's birth certificate in 1844. Also, William and Hannah's first child was called Sarah Ann - possibly named for his mother?

I know it wasn't unusual to be baptised well after the birth,( I have several instances where more than one child was baptised at the same time),but do you have any ideas as to why it would be when someone was in their early 20s?

Thanks again
Julie

Julie
In case you did not notice. Elaine found that the 1833 baptism was a double baptism, 21 yr old William and 23 yr old Mary Ann, William's sister. Clearly they did not need parental permission.
Perhaps their parents were strong atheists and prevented baptism before age 21, when they could choose for themselves.

Presumably William forgot he was already baptised as he approached his death in 1891.
Maybe if you research the parents George and Sarah (nee Curtis I believe) something will show up.
Dave

I do not have edit function

George Truelove OF NEW GEORGE STREET was buried 12th Feb 1860 age 83 at Ecclesall All Saints.
His wife Sarah is not there.
George (b 1877) and Sarah (b 1875) are together on 1841 census at Club Gardens Ecclesall Bierlow. She died in 1847 and is buried at the Sheffield parish church.
Dave

Oops
Of course the birth years for George and Sarah were 1777 and 1775 not 100 years later as I mistyped.
George TRUELOVE is on FMP in the 1831 census, At Hillfoot, Nether Hallam. The family is just 4 persons, 2 male and 2 female, and there is only one male over 20.
These 4 people must be George, wife Sarah, son William 19 and daughter Mary Ann 21. 2 years later the 2 adult children are baptised together
Sarah was 35 when Mary Ann was born, and 37 when William was born. But they married 10 years before MArY Ann was born. I wonder if they were childless for 10 years then "adopted" the 2 children. That might explain the double adult baptism.
Dave

Hi Dave et al,
I did find some other children's baptisms with parents George and Sarah on Family Search website but cannot be sure they link with this family(I have not checked them individually if they appear later on any census records or marriage records)
They were not with George and Sarah in 1841,who were now in their 60's but they did have a Henry Smith age 14 with them, could be a grandchild or a nephew):

JANE TRUELOVE born: 2/July/1804
bapt: 25/July/1804 at SPC

ELIZA TRUELOVE born: 25/May/1807
bapt: 25/May/1807 at Upper Independent Chapel

GEORGE TRUELOVE: Died/Buried: 7th Jan/1816 at
St.Pau;'s, Pinstone Street. (not sure if this was an infant or not)

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

To add to Wendy's find.

TRUELOVE, George (ch, died on ?, at the age of ).
Resided at and buried on 7 Jan 1816 in ? ground;
Grave Number ?, Section ? of St Paul Cemetery, City Center.
Notes: . Place of Birth: . Parent(s): George.

Elaine.

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Wendy, thanks. That puts paid to the basis for my adoption theory.

TRUELOVE, Jane (Spinster, age ~, ~, residing at Parish of Rotherham).
Married John SMITH, on March 14, 1824, by ~ (Banns) at
Parish Church, Rotherham. Father's name is ~ (~).
Married in the presence of ~.
Smith, Henry (of Sheffield, born 1826-08-10).
Baptised September 3, 1826, by William H Vale at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are Jane & John (Cutler).
I think the above Marriage and birth confirm Henry Smith as a grandson and firmly link Jane to the right family.
Presumably Emma and George are also correct.

Dave

Hi To Dave, Elaine and Wendy

Thanks very much for this. loads to think about, hopefully remove a brick wall that has annoyed me for ages!

Thanks
Julie