G'day everyone

I suspect Beatrice was married some time between 1901 and 1911 census.
1901 Census she's living with her family at 125 Channing Street Walkley.

I've found a likely Marriage record for her and was hoping to find a parish record to support it along with the church she was married in.

Marriage Index 1908 Quarter 3
Beatrice Sylvester
Ernest Henry Crookes
Nellie Yardley
Arthur Francis Tomlin

Appear as well.

I know she was alive in 1936 because I've got a letter that my grandmother wrote to her. Can't locate it just now to find more clues.

I'm hoping someone can find her on a parish record please?

cheers
Leisa

The 1911 census has Beatrice with husband Ernest Henry Crookes with 2 children Dora and Walter. Address 94 wood view road, walkley

Hi Leisa,

From the material I have and what we have in our database Beatrice is not showing up.

As Channing St is in the Hillfoot area of Walkley one would have expected her to be married in her parish. I doubly checked St Philips & St Bartholomew
which we have transcribed with no luck.

I found the following.

CROOKES, Dora (of 94 Woodview Rd, born 1909-02-10).
Baptised February 24, 1909, by T C Lawson at St Philips Church, Shalesmoor.
Parents name(s) are Beatrice & Ernest Henry (Clerk).

Could it have been a registry office marriage?

Regards Elaine in Ottawa.

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Hi Leisa,

I have just looked at the 1901 census and Channing St comes under St John Owlerton which we have transcribed.

Elaine.

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Hi Leisa,

Sorry the edit isn't working again as it should.

From FreeBMD.

Marriages Dec 1908
CROOKES Ernest Henry Ecclesall B. 9c 727
SYLVESTER Beatrice Ecclesall B. 9c 727

Note its the 4th qtr.

I would buy the certificate (PDF) as its cheaper.


Elaine.

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Marriage certificates are not available in PDF Format
Dave

Leisa,

The burial records for Beatrice and Ernest on this site say that Ernest died in “Dykes Barr Hospital”, I wonder if that was in fact Dykebar hospital up near Glasgow? (It does also say “removed from Paisley, Scotland Parish which would suggest that it was indeed Dykebar).

The army would bring soldiers back to the UK and send them by train to hospitals around the country if they needed more specialist or intensive care than they could get in the field. One of my relations died in another Glasgow hospital in WW1 (Stobhill) and was brought home to Sheffield for burial in Burngreave. Could it be that Ernest was also evacuated from the front and sent up to Glasgow for treatment, then brought home when he died?

The death notice in the paper doesn’t add any clues, it just says that Private E H Crookes (beloved husband of Beatrice) had died (Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Tuesday 25 September 1917).

When Beatrice died in 1938 (Sheffield Independent - Wednesday 16 February 1938) sadly it said that Beatrice (beloved mother of Dora) had died at the house at 125 Channing St “after a long and painful illness”.

Cheers,

Andrew P.

Thanks Dave for the reminder.

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Hi Andrew, Leisa et al,
There is a record on Ancestry showing Ernest Henry Crookes did die at **** Bar War Hospital, Paisley.
He was a Private in the Royal Army Service Corps. Rank # S2/SR?04410. Company:WO 329. Died Sept 20th 1917. Theatre of War: Home, Widow Beatrice with one child.
It also looks like he was awarded a British War Medal and a Victory Medal.

The hospital was located on the outskirts of Paisley, adjacent to Glasgow City boundary. It was originally opened in 1909 as The Renfrew District Lunatic Asylum and in the latter part of WW1 it was used as a wartime hospital, in 1920 it reverted back to **** Bar Mental Hospital.
HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

Edit: I guess Bravenet has redacted the name of the hospital. I will try writing it as one word even though it is two separate words
DYKEBAR WAR HOSPITAL

Daughter Dora was born 10.2.1909 (see baptisms over to the left) so Beatrice was at an advanced stage of pregnancy when they married well into q4 1908. That would suggest, as Elaine indicated, registry office wedding is more likely. A quick look at the (non) availability of parish records for many of the other marriages on the pages around that of Beatrice also suggests registry office.
Dave

Thank you. Have found the census and added the children.

G'day Andrew

Buggered if I can find the death notices in the paper for any of the family. Can you please email to me?

Fascinating information you have found for me. Thank you so much.

When it cools down I'm going to go look for the letter to "Aunty Beaty" that my grandmother rec'd in 1936 and hope that yields some information.
I've managed to find some military details. I've never had any success getting military records out of the MOD or Archives mob over there. Be interesting to find out what happened to him.

Thanks to a lady above I've got a brother for Dora as well.

So it looks like Beatrice went back to the family home and passed away?

I've found that Dora married a bloke named Rands so maybe thats mistake if you are saying she died young?

cheers

Leisa, look at the burials over to the left. There are 2 graves of interest to you, one for Beatrice Crookes who died 1938 age 57 and one for Walter Crookes, who died age 2.in 1913. The other people in the same graves will tell you a lot
Dave

G'day Dave

I did look at the burials and download them but could not get into the section about who else was in there. For some reason it would not come up. I'll try again.

cheers

Leisa, just click the link below the record which says 'find similar in same grave'
Dave

G'day Dave

I know how to do it. When I tried it would not work and display who else was in there.

I managed to get in later. Looks like the owner was Ernest's family.