I have found one of my ancestors who's occupation is given as a Grinningner does anyone have any idea what he would be doing as a job. Also the name above his is giving his occupation as a Puddler again no idea what that would be either.

Hi Marlene,

This is a puddler:
Puddling was one step in one of the most important processes of making the first appreciable volumes of high-grade bar iron during the Industrial Revolution.
In the original puddling technique, molten iron in a reverberatory furnace was stirred with rods, which were consumed in the process.

As to the other occupation (can't even pronounce it!) could it be a typing error for a grinder do you think?

Regards,
Marlene C.

Hi Marlene,

If you look at our Site Map over to the left and then under Terms and General Information you will see a link to Old Occupations.

This site in particular is very good.

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

I agree that it could be that the firsts one has been scrambled in translation and be a grinder.

If you give us the name of the person we can check it out on a census.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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The name is Thomas Martin age 30 and in the 1881 census on Ancestry he is living in a Lodging House in Love Lane and his occupation is listed as a Grinningner the entry is quite clear. Good luck with this.

Hi Marlene,

I see what you mean and it is very clear. There are two other chaps above him all with the same occupation.

Looking at the GRO Index for a Thomas Martin born 1851 ish there is only one and he was born 1849.

I couldn't find him on the 1891 census. Have you found him on any other census?
The child born in Sheffield in 1849 MMN of SMITH.

Is that you chap?

Elaine.

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Thomas Martin (dob 1850) his parents are Joseph (dob 1820)and Mary (dob 1821)he is one of 5 children I only have Thomas on the 1851/1861 census not found any other apart from that one entry on the 1881 where he is living at a Lodging House. The family do seem to be involved in the Cutlery trade and the area where they live also would suggest that too. I cannot find him anywhere after 1881 maybe you will have more luck.

I am NOT finding him on either the 1851/61 census

As I mentioned before there are only three possible babies listed on the Sheffield BMD site and the GRO.

1. Thomas Martin 1849

MARTIN, THOMAS SMITH
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 606

2. MARTIN, THOMAS JACKSON
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in OF ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 188

3. MARTIN, THOMAS MOORHOUSE MOORHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 290

There is of course the chance he was not registered.

I will have another look but to me there is something odd about that 1881 census.
All three men with the same occupation which is a problem.??

Samuel Linley was born in 1856 not 1854 as the census indicated.
Lawrence Dullen(Dillon)? I could not find.

The two census you found could you type it out for us please.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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Just to add:- before I look further.

This is I believe the registration for your chap.

MARTIN, TOM MORTON
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 612

NOTE he is Tom not Thomas.

The 1851/1861 census

Name Age
Joseph Martin 31
Mary Martin 30
Mary Ann Martin 10
William Martin 8
Emma Martin 5
Joseph Martin 2
Tom Martin 8 Mo

Name Age
Joseph Martin 41
Mary Martin 40
Emma Martin 15
Joseph Martin 13
Town Martin 8
Sarah Martin 5
John Martin 3
James Martin 1

Did the first Tom die? If so then on the 1881 census you are looking for a 28year old.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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There is a burial at St John's, Park, 18 May 1851.
Tom Martin aged 9 months, of Marples Yard, Burnard St. (No parents names given)
The family were living at Burnard St. in 1851.

Marriage, 19 June 1882, Neepsend.
Thomas Martin, B, Grinder, of Neepsend, father Joseph Martin, grinder.
Margaret Haley, 27, Widow, of Neepsend, father Michael O'Brian, Gun smith.

There is also a possible burial on this site.
Thomas Martin, Edge tool grinder, aged 33yrs.
Died at Arundel St. Buried 5 Oct 1886 at City Rd Cemetery.

Moira.

Hi Marlene et al,

Here is a stab in the dark..!!

https://texashistoricalmarkers.weebly.com/the-grinninger-fence.html

If the url does not work, it is about the first Texan who came up with barbed wire fencing, his name was John Grinninger (I realize there is a spelling difference: ger instead of gner at the end) a patent was attributed to him in 1857.
Later the fencing was developed for commercial use with another improved patent by Joseph Farwell Glidden of Illinois in 1870.

Just a thought.

Here is another stab: since The Martin family were grinders maybe it was a combination word meaning, grinding engineer..??

HAPPY HUNTING:sleuth_or_spy:

That is very interesting I think I shall leave it there now I know what a grinninger could be never heard the word before. Thank you for looking this up for me.

Hi Marlene.

This is the birth registration for the 2nd Tom.

MARTIN, TOM MORTON
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 317

Mothers maiden name the same as the first one.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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Thank you for all you hard work in looking up Tom Morton I wondered if there were two Toms now I know that there were. Problem solved. Thanks