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I am frustrated by this family. Christiana and George Tyas had a daughter Harriet(1897)
A Harriet Tyas marries Frederick Xavier Wond in Australia in 1918. She gives Christiana and George Tyas as her parents. Later Harriet Wond widow marries Thomas William Patterson. In 1947 Royal Wond marries John Charles Madden, Surry Hills, St Michaels Sydney. Royal gives her father as Frederick Xavier Wond dec poulterer but her mother as Harriet Collinson not Tyas!!
If anyone can throw any light on this I would be delighted because I am going round and round with it.
I have found the info from the Australian records - when Harriet remarries to Thomas Patterson she is down as widow which matches the death of her husband Frederick Xavier Wond, he dies in 1925. Whats confusing me is Royal Wond when she marries she puts Frederick Xavier Wond as her father but Harriet Collinson as mother. Totally lost!!!
Sudan, I suspect there is a simple explanation. When did Harriet Patterson formerly Wond, nee Tyas die please?
Dave
Not been able to find Harriett death as yet.
Susan. Looking at Harriet's parents it looks like her mother died in 1913 and all her siblings were dead in England by 1930. Therefore assume that Harriet emigrated alone, ie without a Tyas relative. I also assume that Royal Wond was born in early 1920s and that she was brought up in the Patterson family. Clearly she would know her mother had been married to her father, and that she had been a widow. With no Tyas family in Australia and none left in England to write to, it is highly likely that Royal would not know her mother's maiden name. If Harriet was already dead when Royal married there would be no one to ask. Perhaps she preferred to invent a name rather than admit she did not know it.
Dave
Edit : do you know when and where her father George Tyas died?
I may be unnecessarily clouding the issue here, but wonder if you have access to Royal Wond's birth certificate? The gentleman that married in 1918 was Francis Xavier Wond and he died in 1925 in Surry Hills, New South Wales by rather dramatically committing suicide. News reports suggested that the suicide was related to problems in business, but I wonder if it is possible that Francis was leading a double life and that Harriet Collinson was a mistress with whom he had a child. There are numerous news reports of the suicide but no mention of the wife by name, just that there was a note in his pocket saying he intended to kill himself and was leaving everything to his wife. He is described as being a poulterer in all the reports, so this must be the correct man. I have not found anything at all on Royal and nothing on a Harriet Wond. Good Luck.
Helen C.
In 1935 Harriett Wond is living 5 Stewart Street, Nithsdale Australia. 5 Stewart Street is the address on Royals marriage certificate. Frederick Xavier died in 1925. Interesting to hear about his demise.I haven't been able to find the newspaper report. On his deceased estate file the name of the adminstrator is H. Wond presume this is Harriett but which Harriett Tyas or Collinson. I am wondering if Collinson was made up but not sure why though.
This is keeping me intrigued. Not particularly a close family but they are related.
Susan, can you eliminate this possible scenario? :
Harriet nee Tyas died before 1925 and Frederick Wond re married to Harriet Collinson who then gave birth to Royal.
Dave
Dave I have tried to find that - still searching
This is getting more intriguing I have been back tracking and found that Christiana Tyas's (mother of Harriet Tyas who married Frederick Wond) sister was Harriett Elizabeth Ranyard who as it happens married Goodison Collinson. I am wondering if she is the mother of Royal and Frederick Xavier was have an affair with Harriett Tyas's aunt!!!
I don't suppose we shall ever get to the bottom of this one but its been interesting!!!!
Susan, now I see some sense.
Harriet Ranyard married Goodall Collinson in 1896 in Dewsbury. According to GRO index there were no children born in England and Wales to that marriage. Also there is no death reg in England and Wales for Goodall Collinson. What if they emigrated to Australia. Then after Christiana Tyas nee Ranyard died in 1913 her daughter Harriet Tyas emigrated to Australia to live with her aunt. She married, had a daughter and that daughter married in 1947. The only relative of her mother the daughter knew was her aunt Harriet Collinson. Therefore when asked for her mother's maiden name she said Collinson.
Are there no shipping data for these various possible crossings?
Dave
Edit. Harriet Collinson nee Ranyard would have been 46 in 1920. When was Royal Wond born?
Goodall Collinson left UK for Sydney in 1912 (FMP). Who was with him? The 1901 and 1911 censuses for him and for Harriet Tyas (born 1897) are worth exploring!
Dave
Edit. It looks like both Goodall Collinson and his niece Harriet Tyas were both in Chapel en le Frith in 1911.
The Harriet in the 1911 census is Harriet nee Ranyard. Goodall went to Australia in 1912 and she followed later with son Ernest. Willie stayed behind.
Harriet Tyas is the daugher of George and Christiana nee Ranyard) Tyas. Christiana and Harriet Collinson are sisters.
I think you could be correct in that Harriett Tyas went out to Australia after her mother died. Harriett Tyas then married Frederick Xavier Wond. But still think that maybe Royal Wond born 1920 could be Harriett Collinson's daughter with Frederick Xavier Wond - he seems to have had a lot of his mind if he killed himself. Perhaps as someone said living a double life!!!!
Harriett(Tyas) Wond marries again in 1937 to Thomas William Patterson.
This story seems to be slowly pulling together. There is a news report also of a George Goodall Collinson meeting an unfortunate end on Oct.3,1912 in Sydney, Australia at age 37. Goodall Collinson b.1875 and Harriet were living in Derbyshire in 1911. He would have been 37 in 1912. However as Harriet Collinson was the same age, its unlikely, though I suppose not impossible, for her to have had another child in the early 1920's. She would have been in her late 40's by then.
Susan, you can freely access archived Australian newspaper reports through this website: trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
Please note that the gentleman you are naming as Frederick Xavier Wond is coming up as Francis Xavier Wond in the news reports and on Ancestry. I can't find a Frederick Xavier Wond. Francis apparently drove up to an area with a steep cliff, calmly got out of his car, briefly spoke to another gent in the area, took a handful of coins out of his pocket and tossed these to a group of children playing nearby and then in front of the children, he calmly walked up to the edge of the cliff and said Here I go, then flung himself over the edge. The local constabulary had difficulty retrieving the body as it was on the rocks below a steep cliff and the ocean waves kept hindering the recovery. Goodall had been admitted to hospital with bronchial pneumonia and had been tied to his bed as he kept trying to get out of bed, but the restraints had been released when he seemed calmer. At 8 at night when the nurse was not observing, he apparently got out of bed and went to a door that led to the outside balcony and though the door was to be locked at night, the key was in the lock and he got outside and went over the balcony and died on the pavement below. The coroner felt he had been delusional with the pneumonia and not in a right state of mind.
Helen C.
Thank you Helen, yes one of those senior moments - it is Francis not Frederick!
I think I have found Royal - she married John charles Madden known as King and there is a death notice in 2001 for her as Royal King. It sounds like a tragic family.
As I said its quite a distant relationship but very interesting!!
Also found something on Francis's death saying he kissed his wife and three little children before going off to commit suicide - so who are the 3 children - obviously Royal is one.
Susan,
According to GRO index Goodall Collinson and His wife Harriet nee Ranyard had no children
The same source confirms George Tyas and his wife Christiana Nee Ranyard had 5 children. They were George Ernest 1894, Harriet 1897, William 1899 (died 1900), Ernest 1901, and Frederick 1904 (died 1905).
Therefore the Ernest who travelled to Sydney in 1913 as Collison was actually Ernest Tyas. Also, I cannot find a passage foot Harriet Tyas ,but in 1915 a Harriet Collison born 1898 travelled to Sydney from UK.
I suggest that Ernest and Harriet Tyas were 'adopted' by the Childless Collinsons
Dave
My apologies. There were 2 William Tyas born 1899 so there is no guarantee that the one who died in 1900 was the son of Christiana and George Tyas.
Therefore the William Tyas , son of Tyas/Ranyard may have survived to be the one with the Collinsons in 1911. That just confirms that Christianas children, with the possible exception of one, were effectively adopted by the Collisons.
Dave
I know that Goodall and Harriett Collinson had two children - Willie in 1898 and Ernest in 1903 both born Dewsbury area. Christiana and George did have 5 but 3 survived all born in Sheffield.
Harriett Collinson left England with son Ernest for Australia 1914 following Goodall - he arrived in Australia in 1912.
Apologies again. My mistake was in not checking alternative spellings. Ernest and Willie Collinson show up in Dewsbury with mmn Rengyard.
Dave
Susan
I believe that Harriet Tyas travelled from UK to Sydney in 1915 in the name of Harriet Collinson age 17 and travelling with her was her cousin William (Willie) Collinson also age 17. They presumably travelled as brother and sister for "convenience". You can see these records on FMP
Dave
I haven't been able to find the travel details Dave, can you point me to the link.
On Find My Past search for William Collinson born 1898. Then Search for Harriet Collinson born 1898.
Do you have subs with FMP?
Dave
Hi Dave, yes got a sub to fmp and now found Willie's war record. I had always assumed he stayed in England so something else to research.
He seems to have been a casualty and in 2nd Birmingham Hospital -
Got to now try and find the three children that Francis Xavier Wond kissed when he went off to commit suicide. The article read
he kissed his wife and three little children before going off to commit suicide - so who are the 3 children - obviously Royal Wond is one.
Some success already found Raymond Wond died 1937 and the picture of his grave shows he is with his mother Harriet(Tyas-Wond) Patterson who only died in 1990. Just think if I had started this family history lark earlier I may have had more answers!!
From the Sydney Morning Herald, Nov. 15, 1937
Wond- November 12, 1937 at Balmain Hospital, Raymond Wond, beloved son and stepson of Mr. and Mrs. T.W. Patterson of 45 Lenore Street, Fivedock and brother of Royal and Frank, aged 18 years.
Edit: Coroner's report re Raymond's death is that he died of injuries received when his motor cycle accidentally collided with an electric tram car.