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Re my 1851 Census query

Good afternoon folks

Being a nuisance here, but of course trying to obtain the correct information.
I am wondering if the family I have referred to i.e. John, Mary and John James Robinson are my ancestors !
And Why .... In the 1851 Census John's birthplace is shown as Treeton and he is aged 60, so he has an approximate birth year of 1791.
Looking at my previous research I have him born in East Torrington, Lincolnshire in 1800 approx making him approx 50 in 1851.

Is there another family consisting of a John, Mary and a John James ?

You get very slightly angry / confused when such conflicting information is found, but of course it all adds to the experience of this fascinating interest !

John died prior to the 1861 Census, about to have a look at the 1841 census, although I am not aware when the family moved into Sheffield.

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Correction !!
John didn't die before the 1861 Census, but did die in April of that year.

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Hi Roger,

In 1861 the family are living at Granville Lane, Sheffield.
John is 61yrs, gentlemans servant, born East Torrington, Lincs.
Mary is 50yrs, laundress, born Boston, Lincs. (transcribed as Buxton).
John Jas, son, 21yrs, scale cutter, born Sheffield.
There is also a boarder, Geo. A. Hopton, aged 4 (transcribed as 11),
born Sheffield.

Moira.

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Hi Moira and thanks

Still confused !

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Roger and Moira,
On close inspection the boarder is Not Hopton. It is Geo A Popleton age 4.:
A George Armitage Poppleton was born Sheffield q3 1856. He was illegitimate.
Hope that helps!
Dave

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Hi Dave, an interesting observation on your part.
No connection as yet, but I wonder why a family presumably living life on the edge in every respect would have a boarder with them and one so young.
I am not aware of Mary's maiden name, the 4 year old could be related to her.

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Roger, George's mother was Emma Poppleton born 1834. She had a second illegitimate child (Emma) in 1858. That child died soon after birth. She then had a third in 1860 but for that one the father (Habershon) legitimised him. She is together with Habershon in 1861so clearly George was not welcome in that household. She then married Habershon and had several legitimate children In the 1860s.
George A Poppleton disappeared after 1861.
Dave

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Hi Roger,

When son John gets married in 1861, his father John's occupation is
given as 'Ostler'.

On the 1841 census at Jehu Lane, John's occupation is ostler and he is
born between 1792 and 1796. Not born in county.

The 1851 census at Bakers Hill, John's date of birth would be 1791, he is still an ostler. When his place of birth was given, perhaps it was misheard
and Treeton entered instead of Torrington.

On the 1861 census, his age is given as 61yrs, born 1800. Perhaps as he
is most likely to be ill at this point, Mary or son John guessed his age.
John's burial is on this site.

I can only find one baptism that would fit John.
John Robinson baptised 10 April 1791, East Torrington, Lincolnshire.
Parents: Benjamin and Martha.

Moira.

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Quote: Dave T
Roger, George's mother was Emma Poppleton born 1834. She had a second illegitimate child (Emma) in 1858. That child died soon after birth. She then had a third in 1860 but for that one the father (Habershon) legitimised him. She is together with Habershon in 1861so clearly George was not welcome in that household. She then married Habershon and had several legitimate children In the 1860s.
George A Poppleton disappeared after 1861.
Dave


Hi Dave

Again some very interesting research on your part, information which I will keep for future reference.

Many thanks !

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Quote: Moira Hyde
Hi Roger,

When son John gets married in 1861, his father John's occupation is
given as 'Ostler'.

On the 1841 census at Jehu Lane, John's occupation is ostler and he is
born between 1792 and 1796. Not born in county.

The 1851 census at Bakers Hill, John's date of birth would be 1791, he is still an ostler. When his place of birth was given, perhaps it was misheard
and Treeton entered instead of Torrington.

On the 1861 census, his age is given as 61yrs, born 1800. Perhaps as he
is most likely to be ill at this point, Mary or son John guessed his age.
John's burial is on this site.

I can only find one baptism that would fit John.
John Robinson baptised 10 April 1791, East Torrington, Lincolnshire.
Parents: Benjamin and Martha.

I presume Jehu Lane is now the Jew Lane running off Fitzalan Square ?
Bakers Hill is also in that location.

Moira.


Hi Moira

You found John in the 1841 Census, well done, something I gave up on with so many John Robinson's being around at that time.
Fair assumption that East Torrington was misheard / mispelt !
Yes, I have recorded John's death from information in these burial records.
Thanks for the baptism record, something for me for the future.

Many thanks

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Re: Re my 1851 Census query

Moira, a technical blip you may have noticed i.e. my comment about the location of Jehu Lane and Bakers Hill was somehow included in your words

Roger

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