thankyou john,i will give your suggestion a try,i have found one of her sons in 1891 he had married and ellen wasnt with them,i can't find her other 2 children but they could have married,i will keep trying,don't lose any sleep over ellen,thankyou for your help.

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Do you know where Ellen was living when she died? Coud then look for a burial for her to see if that gives us any clues to married names for children

Hi Carole
In 1891 Thomas Carr is lodging with William and Louisa Keeton. There is a marriage of a William Keeton to a Louisa Poole
Sept qtr 1888 Sheffield 9c 622.
I presume Louisa is Ellen's daughter.
Hope this helps
Sue

I will get a copy of ellen's death certificate that should help.thankyou for your input,it is much appreciated.

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well spotted sue, i have found louisa's marriage and also the marriage of another daughter alice to thomas watson,so far can't find them on the 1891 census,i will check deaths for them.thankyou for your help,when I have more info i will let you know.many thanks

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