In the 1911 census, my grandfather Joseph Swift was recorded, as residing at 62 Franklin Street,File maker
Tony I don't have my grandfather's death certificate.
However both my late grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Swift and my late father Joseph Swift b.21/08/1914 told me that my father was only about 18 months old when his father died. Which would make it in the first qtr of 1916.
There appears to be just direct family members of the Swift family in the grave.
The baby (Pollard) buried in 1945, was Joseph's
grandchild and my cousin.
Thus far, have not been able to find another Joseph Swift within the family, that would have died in the first qtr of 1916.
Margaret, do not forget that if a death registration was in June quarter it means when the death was registered. For example he could have died on March 31st death registered 1st April so therefore in the GRO index it would come under the June quarter so the one aged 65 in the June quarter and in the grave could be your man. John
Jul 3, 2012 - 8:27AM
Re: Burial Records
I believe Tony might come up with a few suggestions on the way to progress this enquiry.
Margaret has already pointed out the plain facts on this,and the fact that other Swift family members are in the same plot- is not by chance.
I know that the occupation - is a bit of an issue,but the main problem - is the given age of 65 on this entry.
The Franklin St address- is correct,and to my mind too many things suggest that there could be an error with this entry- and it is indeed the right relative for Margaret.
Kind regards Brian.
Elaine in Ottawa
Jul 3, 2012 - 3:26PM
Re: Burial Records
I have already suggested to Margaret what I would do.
I would obtain the death certificate of the 49 year old.
Worth the money in cases like this.
As Tony said we will add a note re his age once its proved to be incorrect from the official record at City Road.
If City Road is proved to be incorrect I would ask them to place a note against their entry also.
Swift, Joseph (Labourer, age 65).
Died at Franklin St; Buried on January 13, 1916 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 16398, Section DD of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.
(So should be recorded in the first Qtr)
BMD records for the whole of 1916 only have one Joseph Swift aged 49 years and that is in the March Qtr. Volume 9C page 547.
There are only 3 deaths registered in the March Qtr of 1916. For the Whole of England.
Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)
Swift Joseph 19 Ecclesall B. 9c 454
Swift Joseph 49 Ecclesall B. 9c 547
Swift Joseph 61 Hayfield 7b 1007
Further to this, as a child, I visited the cemetery with my Father, and along with subsequent family conversations, always understood that my Grandfather, and Great Grand parents were all buried in the same family grave.
I live in Australia so am not able to do more research.
It all looks as if the mistake is with City Rd and only his age...
If you are happy with that so be it.
BUT to prove it for sure and for City Rd you would need the Death Certificate.
You mentioned to me that the Swifts came from Ecclesfield.
I have just looked at both the 1871 & 1881 census.
I used Joseph Swift born 1868 as the keyperson.
I brought up the following.
22 Porter St, Sheffield. (Eccles Parish St Simon)
William Swift h.m. 31 File Forger born Painsthorpe Nr Leeds
Sarah wife aged 26 Norton Yks.
Hannah dau 4 born Sheffield
Joseph sons aged 3 born Sheffield
Ellen dau aged 1 born Sheffield.
Frederick Hutchinson boarder unmarried aged 17 File Cutter born Sheffield.
Yes thank you Elaine you have the correct family.
I am in no doubt as to the year my grandfather was born or died. I am just trying to determine where he is buried.
For my own purposes a death certificate would confirm what I already know plus the cause of death.
The birth certificate for the 65 year old Joseph Swift, registered in the 2nd quarter of 1916 could be more enlightening as it would confirm his actual death date.
I also noted that the 65 year old Joseph Swifts death is registered in Sheffield, whereas my grandfathers death is registered in Ecclesall B.
Franklin Street was also in the Ecclesall B Registration area. I understand though, that the death may not always be registered in the place they actually occur.