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have been searching the 1911 census for peter tobin born 1861 his daughter eva born 1909.found his wife emma and his other children but cannot find these two.would welcome any help.
Anita
Places of birth,and any background detail,would be helpful.
Kind regards Brian.
peter born richmond surrey,eva born sheffield,peter married emma in sheffield and died in sheffield in 1918 so i think would be in sheffield in 1911.
I have found one Eva age 1 living with her grandmother in London and I noticed that Peter was born in London in 1861. There is only 1 Eva on the births records and that is for Sheffield so perhaps she was being cared for by granny. I also noticed from the 1891 census that Peter is shown as Lobin and that he was a house painter - could he have gone away to work??
hi sue,this is possible i suppose,have a feeling eva would be in sheffield in 1911,i know she was brought up in sheffield.thankyou for your help
Could this be Peter travelling abroad in 1911? He was Peter Franis but maybe miss read it. May have left Eve with Grandmother whilst travelling.
TOBIN P J Unknown M 1911 Southampton Madeira Madeira VI
thankyou for this info.it could be him it would solve the census issue.do you know the name of the grandmother you found eva with?
regards anita
Name: Norah Tobin
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cork, Cork, Ireland
Civil parish: St George in the East
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Martha St, St Georges, London E
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: St George in the East
Registration District Number: 19
Sub-registration district: St George and St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 1514
Household Members:
Name Age
Norah Tobin 73
Eva Tobin 1
Looks like a different Tobin family going by earlier censuses, was your Peter the one in the workhouse in Kensington in 1871 census?
thanks for this info,i can now try and find if peters mother was a norah.i know his fathers name was also peter but thats all the info i have on his parents.
regards anita
hi do not know if the one in the workhouse was him.i have no info on his parents apart from fathers name and that was from his marriage cert and it just says deceased.
Only one born in London at the time- 1861, was his father Michael?
I think from the 1891 census that Norahs husband was Patrick.
hi no his fathers name was peter.i dont think i will ever find his ancestry,i have searched through everything but nothing coming up.a brick wall i think.thankyou for your help though.
regards anita
hi brian,yes have peter born 1861 marriage cert.
I have looked at the birth records and there is only 1 Peter Tobin he is born Kensington 1861 Jun quarter. There is also a family living Kensington on the 1861 census father Peter and mother Ellen. A marriage for Peter in 1853 to an Ellen O'Donnell. There are two children in 1861 Catherine and Mary A. The census would have been April so perhaps Peter was born just after the census was taken.
Also Catherine is in the smallpox hospital in 1871.
hi sue,this could be them i could send for peters birth cert and if it says peter francis i will then know if that is him.are the parents from ireland did you notice.
regards anita
Yes he was from Limerick and she was Cork. Its an unusual name or so you think but when you start searching there are quite a few Peter Tobins around. I notice that someone on Ancestry is interested in the Peter snr and Ellen but they have Peter snr in America in 1870 so maybe he went walk about.
I have also found an Ellen Tobin in prison in 1881.
You should have some interesting research to do but are you sure about Peter's birth.
What is Peter snr's occupation on the marriage certificate that may help.
hi sue,just had a look at peters marriage cert.i have made a mistake with birth year 1866 is the correct year.his father was peter francis tobin deceased.the marriage was 1887.sorry to have put you to all the trouble of lookups.
kind regards anita
I love a challenge so its no problem. Nothing much on the tele so I am glued to the computer.
hi brian,so confusing,on his marriage cert his age is given as 21.marriage date oct 8th 1887.
regards anita
Maybe the family went back to Ireland in the intervening years.
As Brian states don't rely on ages.I have checked numerous suspect entries in the St Michaels Rivelin burial register, The transcription is correct but it does not always tally with the information on the death certificate. Perhaps there was too much holy wine around and the incumbant partook of this.
Even his death registration in the GRO index differs to the entry in the burial register.
Deaths Jun 1918
Tobin Peter F 57 Sheffield 9c 735
Angela
thankyou to everyone for your help,really appreciated.
regards anita
hi brian,as far as i know emma married an ernest noon,i do not know anymore,have looked for her death but cannot find her.think she lived to a good age.think i may have to give up on peter as there does not seem to be any records of him before coming to sheffield.
regards anita
thankyou so much for the death info on emma,will take your advice and take time out from peter.they did not wait long to remarry in those days i suppose they could have separated before peter died.
regards anita
Anita
If you turn your attention to other aspects of your family tree,and require any help- don't hesitate to re post.
We are all keen to offer help,and advice.
Kindest regards Brian.
regards anita
Anita
Don't assume anything in family history look at the social side of it. If she was widowed with young children it would be difficult to bring them up on her own so she perhaps married for security. Womens wages were only a half or a third of mens wages not enough to run a home and feed a growing family.
Angela