Mary Ann Whittaker, daughter of Charles J Whittaker and Sarah ann (Cooper). According to the 1861 & 1871 census born abt 1860
1861 census
Where born:Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish, Brightside Bierlow
1871 census
Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Nether Hallam
I found on LDS but not on ancestry the report for 1911 census a Mary Ann Whittaker 51 years living at Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield.
After the 1871 census I could not find any information until the 1911 census I believe this may be her.
I was also unable to find her birth.
any help or Suggestions
Thanks Barry

Hi Barry
I have searched for a birth for Mary Ann Whitaker without much success. I used lots of variants on names but nothing seems to match.
When did her parents Charles and Sarah marry? I couldn't find a marriage. I was wondering if she was registered as Cooper but I couldn't find any matches there either.
I also looked for her sister Sarah's birth and that doesn't seem to registered as well.
Very puzzling
Regards
Sue

Sue I have asked about this family in the past and it only got more confusing. The father's occupation not only changed but also his middle name. I managed to get a birth certificate for one of the children, I am sure its not the correct person.
I was hoping someone may have a 1911 census to show if she was single or married. Only found the record on LDS for 1911, I was wondering if there is a 1911 census on FMP. Thanks Barry

Barry, I think I have found the reference to Mary Ann Whitaker at Ecclesall Bierlow in 1911 and it states she was married so I am therefore assuming this is not your one. John

John thank you, I will now start applying for certificates for this family.
Barry

Barry
The 1911 entry states
John Thonas Whitaker b Sheffield 1860- silver smith maker up.
Wife Mary Ann b 1860 Sheffield.Son Frederick William Whitaker b 1896 Sheffield - (railway messenger)
Son George Albert b Sheffield 1899.
The marriage is recorded as being of 18 years duration.
Address 107 Hoole St Walkley Sheffield- a five roomed house.
There is a marriage entry in Sheffield - March qtr 1893,of John Thomas C Whittaker to either Mary Ann Barthorpe- or Mary Ann hibberd.
I would advise not to send off for any certificates at the moment,as there is much to review.
And no doubt I ,and many other's will spend alot more time on your quest.
Kind regards Brian.

Hi Barry
Had another look for information today without results again. Which child's birth certificate did you obtain and what details did it give? Maybe that will give a clue.
Regards
Sue

Sue thanks for looking. This was a distant followup to a question I posted on the 25 April regarding the family of Charles J Whitaker. I hapenned upon the 1911 census hoping it may have been the same Mary Ann Whittaker daughter of Charles. Unfortunately according to another member this Mary Ann was married unless she reverted to her maiden name.
The birth certificate I received has the father as Robert Charles Whitaker (Furnaceman), mother Sarah Whitaker (formerly) Proctor. The residence was 27 Harold St.
Frances Aleathea born 20 July 12h 40m am 27 Harold St.
According to the relative in the States he was certain Charles J married Sarah Ann Cooper 1837-1889.
Its very frustrating with the information from Yorkshire,
very few records are ever posted on line, whereas I find the records of Dorset are so plentiful.
Thanks again Sue
Barry

Hi Barry
I found these births for you to consider from freebmd

Proctor Mary Ann Whittaker Mar 1860 Sheffield 9c 306
Proctor Sarah Elizabeth Jun 1862 Sheffield 9c 338
Proctor Alice Jun 1864 Sheffield 9c 360
Proctor Robert William Jun 1867 Sheffield 9c 384

Regards
Sue

Sue S, everyone of those dates would be correct, with Proctor as the mothers maiden name. The birth certificate for Francis A (girl) shows mother as Whitaker (Proctor)
It says Robert Charles a Furnaceman, which is on the 1871 census.
On the previous question for the family Pete had mentioned the burial for Sarah possible 27 dec 1889 Hattersley st. Sue you then mentioned also at St Phillips Charles 14 Sept 1898, 185 King James St.
Hugh checked a 1911 census & the S Proctor 1841 cannot be the correct person.
Simon mentioned the Sarah Proctor christened in 1837, was the daughter of William & Mary and was his grandmothers sister, she married Jesse Sutcliffe in 1854, and died Sutcliffe in 1901.
Perhaps there is another Sarah Proctor??
It looks as though the birth certificate is correct along with the children you have mentioned.
It seems so strange how Charles J can become Robt.,and yet all the children are following through on the census's
I have to question the other children on the 1891 census
because Herbert and Thomas show up on the 1901 census as nephews of Sarah Proctor, 56yrs which would make her birth 1845.
I wish I was able to spend a couple of weeks in Sheffield trying to unravel the Whitaker's
Thanks to everyone for all your help
Barry

Hi Barry
The Sarah Proctor b.1845 in the 1901 census is probably an aunt to Thomas and Herbert through marriage. They are living at 7H 1ct Greaves St

Sarah Proctor 56 b. Langtoft, Yorks
Thomas Whittaker 22 Nephew b,Sheffield
Herbert Whittaker 18 Nephew b.Sheffield
Piece: 4343 Folio: 166 Page Number: 25

In 1891 Sarah is living at 77 Capel St

Sarah Proctor 44 Widow b. Longtoft
George Howe 46 Mar Forgeman b.Sheffield
Albert E Howe 24 Single Steel Labourer b.Sheffield
Caroline E Howe 12 Daug b.Sheffield
Piece: 3795 Folio: 79 Page Number: 45

Note- Albert Edward Howe marries Frances Aletha Whittaker Jun 1898 Sheffield 9c 613

In 1881 there is a Sarah Proctor living at 1ct 2H Limbrick Lane

Thomas Proctor 42 Stone Mason b. Sheffield
Sarah Proctor 35 b. Beverley, Yorks
Piece: 4624 Folio: 87 Page Number: 20

Note- In 1881 the Charles and Sarah Whittaker are living at 5 Limbrick Lane

In 1871 Thomas and Sarah Proctor are living at 87 Chapel St Upper

Thomas Proctor 33 Stone Mason b.Sheffield
Sarah Proctor 28 b.Langtoft, Yorks
Piece: 4662 Folio: 134 Page Number: 6

Hope this helps
Regards
Sue

Sue, thanks for the information.
Just to be sure I understand, this Sarah (1901) related possible by marriage. Then its still possible Charles married another Sarah Ann Proctor going by the childrens births.
In the previous comments I mentioned the deaths of Sarah & Charles, it looks as though according to missing names on the census they would be correct!!
Its 5am in the morning here I hope I understood.
I went over the census from 1841- 1871, and It's just Charles, in 1881 the Charles J appears. I am wondering if that was an error on the part of the numerator, and should have been an "R".
I believe I should send for a marriage certificate for Charles, going by the birth of the first child the marriage should be between 1855-1860.
Thank you so much for all your help
Barry

Hi Barry
Yes, it looks like the Sarah Ann Proctor married to Charles is a different person to the Sarah Proctor (Aunt) in 1901. I have a doubt that Charles and Sarah Ann married. The older children were registered as Proctor which tends to show that the parents were not married- someone will probably be able to confirm this.
Regards
Sue

Hi Barry
I've not been able to find a marriage for Charles and Sarah Ann but I did find this marriage.

Mary Ann P Whitaker/Herbert Samuel Wright Mar 1879 Ecclesall B 9c 259

I think that Mary Ann could have changed her names around-her birth is registered Mary Ann Whitaker Proctor. I had this happen with my gggrandmother.

In 1881 there is a Mary Ann and Herbert Wright living at Hillsbro
Herbert S. Wright 26 File Cutter b.Sheffield
Mary A.P. Wright 21 b.Sheffield
Averilda Wright 1 b.Sheffield
Piece: 4618 Folio: 55 Page Number: 103

Something else for you to consider.
Regards
Sue

Two WRIGHT burials from Wardsend, Hattersley Street again!

WRIGHT Amy 26 Apr 1884 Hattersley St 1+ da Herbert Saml
WRIGHT Averilda 30 Oct 1884 Hattersley St 4+ da Herbert Saml

Hugh

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Hi Barry
I have had a look at the Churchyard CD as well. There are a couple of deaths that might be connected with the Whitaker family, both buried in Shalesmoor St. Phillips/Wardsend

Alice Proctor 11 Oct 1881 age 17 Limerick Lane

This may be the daughter of Charles and Sarah Ann Whitaker

Sarah Whittaker 27 Dec 1889 age 49 Hattersley St wife of Charles.

The age doesn't quite match the age of Sarah Ann b.1837, but Sarah Ann must have died between 1883-the birth year of son Herbert and 1891 census -Charles is a widower. Hattersley St seems to be a connection with this family.

Regards
Sue

Sue & Hugh again thank you, you have given me an allful amount of information to absorb. I will go over all when it starts to cool a little in the evening, at the moment its 40degrees humidity.
Thanks Barry

Hi Barry
I'm pleased to be able to help. The weather in England has been dismal so tommorrow I'm flying to Lanzarote to find some sun. I'll catch up when I get back. I'm sure other indexers will help you if you need it.
Regards
Sue

Bring some sun back with you please Sue!!!!!!!!

Hugh I wonder if you were able to check out a Sarah Proctor age70 in the 1911 census for Albert Edward Howe who married Frances A Whitaker in 1898. Sue was looking for a Sarah Ann Proctor who was supposed to be married to Charles J Whittaker. All the pertaining information is on the many reply's from Sue, yourself and others on the forum. The 1901 census for Herbert Whitaker (Frances A's brother) showed he was living with an Aunt, Sarah Proctor birth abt 1845. It was believed this was a Sarah possible by marriage. Another person had a Sarah proctor in her family who married a Sutcliffe and died Sutcliffe. The Sarah Proctor (1911) would have been born around 1841!!
I was given a death & Burial for Charles J Whitaker and a Sarah Ann Proctor which makes me believe this is another Sarah Proctor!!!
Thanks Barry

Hi Barry
I'm back from my hols. I've read your message. I think the Sarah Proctor living with the Howe family in 1911 is the Aunt Sarah Proctor of 1901. The birth place of this Sarah Proctor is either Langtoft or Beverley, Yorkshire through the census. These places are are in the same area of East Yorkshire. The birth year of this Sarah Proctor varies a lot through the census- anything from 1841 to 1847. I looked for a death for this Sarah Proctor and found this one as a possible.

Sarah Proctor Sept 1917 Ecclesall B 9c 398 age 69

I know the 1911 census states Sarah is 70 but this registration gives a birth year of 1846 which is more consistant with earlier census.

I think the Sarah Ann Proctor "married" to Charles Whitaker is buried as Sarah Whittaker in 1889 as in my previous message. The death registration is possibly this one
Sarah Whittaker Dec 1889 Ecclesall B 9c 226 age 49

I've not been able to find a baptism for this Sarah Ann Proctor. I think there are 2 Sarah Proctors. This is my opinion but I easily be wrong. What does anyone else think? I have run out of any other information.
Hope you can follow this.
Regards
Sue

Hi Barry
Getting back to your original request for information on Mary Ann Whittaker, I found this notification in the Sheffield Independent on March 4 1879

Marriages
Wright- Whittaker-March 2, at St. Mark's Church, by Rev. W. Tomlinson, curate, Herbert Samuel Wright, file cutter, Broomhill, to Mary Ann Proctor Whittaker of Hillsbro.

Regards
Sue

Sue, I hope you had a great holiday, sorry you had to see another message on this saga of Marry Ann when you returned. So that I am able to finally put this question to rest, Would it be correct for me to assume her name was Mary Ann Proctor Whittaker, or Mary Ann Whittaker Proctor??
After this I would like to thank yourself and others for all the information, I will try and make the next question much easier.
Thanks Barry

Hi Barry
Mary Ann's birth was registered as Mary Ann Whittaker Proctor, but I would think she was always known as Mary Ann Proctor Whittaker-as per census and her marriage registration.
Regards
Sue