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Can anyone help please ? This is the first time I have used this website so apologies in advance should I not follow the correct procedure.
I am helping a friend trace his family tree and have discovered that in March 1869 one of his ancestors was murdered. He was 4 year old Harry Seyman who at the time was living in Landsdowne Road. Some of his family are buried in Ecclesall All Saints, some in Wardsend and thanks to your website I have discovered more in Burngreave and City Road. We would really like to find where young Harry was buried . Can anyone help ?
Kindest regards
Alvin Hickling
Hi Alvin,
You did everything perfectly........
I have checked all the burial indexes I have and there is NO four year old Harry Seyman listed.
in 1869 other than a number of C of E Churchyards and the General Cemetery I dont know where else he could be.....
His birth & death are registered on FreeBMD in Ecclesall Bierlow.
Landsdown Rd is near London Rd so I would have thought the General would be the one.
However many infants were buried with the first available
burial at no charge. I think 4years old might be stretching the infant term somewhat though. The Seymans religion might be a guide as well.
Thats all I can offer I am afraid.
Elaine in Ottawa.
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I have checked all my burial indexes including the General Cemetery and he is not listed. The only othere cemetery I can think of is Derbyshire Lane which opened in 1869 although that is quite a way from Lansdowne Road.
Have you also checked the newspapers which are online there's at least 7 different reports in various newspapers.
I have also looked at variants of the surname.
Angela
Hi Elaine
Thanks very much for the help it is very much appreciated. Its a little disturbing to hear of the practise of just burying infants in that way but in its time it was obviously the norm.
I'll speak with my friend regards to religion and see how it goes from there. I do have quite extensive press reports of the murder, the inquest and the court case but there is no mention of Harrys place of rest.
Regards
Alvin Hickling
Angela
Thanks very much for your efforts on my behalf, they are very much appreciated.
I went to Sheffield Local History Library a couple of weeks ago and found press reports of the murder , the inquest and the court case in the Sheffield Independent and the Telegraph. They are extensive reports but I dont find any mention of where Harry was laid to rest.
Can I ask where I find newspapers online?
Kind regards
Alvin Hickling
Alvin go to http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/web/?Libraries/37276
Anyone in uk can obtain, an online Lancashire library card,this gives access The British library 19th century nespapera,and Times digital archive.
The library card costs nothing,and allows you to use the Lancashire library online resources.
You can join online.
Kind regards Brian H.
I occasionally hear anecdotal accounts of this practice but it is always vague and not at all convincing. If it did happen it must have been very rare, because the records show so many infants buried in the regular way.
Hugh
Brian
Thanks very much for that information. I must admit that I thought it was only possible to view old newspapers on microfilm and that is really bad on my eyes.
Regards
Alvin
Alvin
The Story about little Harrys demise,is well covered.
The card will take about a week or so to arrive.
The card will have a unique membership number,which you will use to gain access online.
If you type in lancashire library card in the search box at the top right of the forum page,you will see this topics coverage.
I reckon it's a very generous resouce,it's scope is limited,but as a free resource it's very useful.
Kind regards Brian H.
Brian
Thanks very much again.
Appreciated
Hi Angela,
I think he's buried in General Cemetery as "Henry Seyman" Grave number K3 43, Consecrated, Son of Henry Seyman grinder of 31, Landsdowne Road,death date 19th. March, Burial date 23rd. March 1869.
Regards,
Marlene
Have sent you some info via email from newspapers
Bev
I think he's buried in General Cemetery as "Henry Seyman" Grave number K3 43, Consecrated, Son of Henry Seyman grinder of 31, Landsdowne Road,death date 19th. March, Burial date 23rd. March 1869.
Regards,
Marlene
I think that Marlene is correct (well spotted)on my transcription from the General cemetery they have transcribed the surname as "LEYMAN"
Angela
Everyone
I have to say that I am quite overwhelmed by the way you have all helped me in the quest to find young Harry's grave. A visit to City Road Cemetery will I'm sure confirm his final resting place. I live in Swinton in South Yorkshire and have been researching the family tree for a friend in Stockport. He would like me to express sincere thanks to everyone involved. Turning up a murder in your family is still upsetting even though it was in 1869. The fact it was a father killing his own 4 year old son was even more destressing for the family and locating Harry provides them with closure. Once again thanks to you all.
Kind regards
Alvin
Only hope I have used your website correctly for my first of what I hope will be many occasions.
I think he's buried in General Cemetery as "Henry Seyman" Grave number K3 43, Consecrated, Son of Henry Seyman grinder of 31, Landsdowne Road,death date 19th. March, Burial date 23rd. March 1869.
Regards,
Marlene
I think that Marlene is correct (well spotted)on my transcription from the General cemetery they have transcribed the surname as "LEYMAN"
Angela
I've contacted General Cemetery who would like to see the Newspaper/trial papers if anyone can oblige.
Regards,
Marlene
Just so that you get the correct cemetery Alvin, it's the General Cemetery not, City Road where he's buried.
If you contact the General Cemetery they will be able to provide you with the details, I've already contacted them on your behalf.
information below:
0114 268 3486 - sgct@gencem.org - www.gencem.org
Gatehouse office normally open :
Tuesday 9.30 to 4.30pm - Wednesday 1 to 3pm
Thursday 10.30 to 2.30pm - Friday 1 to 4.30pm
Regards,
Marlene
Hi Marlene
Sorry I must have a mental blockage. I had details of another family member in the City Road Cemetery on my mind and got a bit mixed up. I did try to ring the General Cemetery just after I got your email but there was no reply. I left a message but said I would call back tomorrow.Thankyou once again, very much appreciated.
Regards
Alvin
Received the trial papers Brian, exhausting reading, thanks so much. I used my Lancashire County Library card (another one of Brian's suggestions!).
Regards,
Marlene
Brian, sorry should have known better about asking for grusome things to be posted on the forum I suppose some relatives etc may not know etc.. Should be able to contact me now via email. John
John
You don't owe an apology.
No one would have posted full details of the event on the forum.
We would always have requested your email address.
I like your enthusiasm very much,you could say it's infectious.
Kindest regards Brian.
I agree.
John is a much respected forum member and contributes greatly to many queries. The protocol is learned over time and so there's no need to apologise.
Regards,
Marlene
Tony
Can you remove the post
I was attempting to bring up the Lancashire library card detail,realised that I had brought this topic up- confirmed deletion,yet it's still on.
Many thanks Brian.