Hi

Does anyone know who transcribed the White's Directory 1871 on here please. I'd like to check the accuracy of an entry.

Ann

Hi I think I transcribed some of this directory, but as yoy are probably aware we do the sheets a few at a time so I would not know which pages I did. I believe a lady called Sheila South Managed the exercise
Muriel

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Hi Thanks

So how do I go about checking what it actually said on a particular entry? Who holds the directory from which the data was transcribed?

Ann

Hi Ann,

The person who was in charge of the Directory Transcriptions is unfortunately not able to answer your question as she has been very ill.

How about posting what the dispute is and maybe someone else can answer you.

Regards.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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Hi

I don't really need to be in contact with anyone who did the transcriptions unless they are still in possesion of the originals. I just need to know where I can see an original copy or true photocopy/scan of the directory and check it for myself thanks. I find it saves a lot of time rather than going round the houses.

Any idea where the original used for the exercise are kept, or where I might see one?

Ann

The 1871 directory also came free with a "Who Do You Think You Are" magazine.

Hi

The best place to view directories is at the local studies library on Surrey Street in Sheffield

Tony
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I would say if you post the question I am sure Pete will look at his copy and tell you what it says.

We do keep copies of everything that we transcribe by the way.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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hello ann cestor
Was it you who was looking for births at hoyle house whitley,what was the names you was looking for

thankyou

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Hi

Thanks, I do have a connection to Hoyle House, but the info requirement must have been a while ago, when I was researching that side of the family, as I can't remember what info I was after now. I must have found it. I have all my rellies names there in the censuses. Unless I was after burials in Ecclesfied churchyards?

When I go over it next time, I may well give you a shout, if I find I'm missing something. Thanks

Ann

Hi Elaine

Is his email available? If not I will be going to Sheffield next week, I could pop in there.

By the way is it true (on a different subject) that the Mormon parish records (online IGI) only show certain information about the entries, and that more information is available, like godparents and marriage witnesses if you send off for the rolls? I'm getting to the point that I need to do more pre 1837 research.

I read in my very excellent family history book that they believe a certain thing, and because of that only give the relevant info on the IGI. The other incidental information is not shown but may well be in the parish records.

Is this right?


Ann

Hi Ann,

I will try and answer some of your questions......

I see from Peters message (up above) that he chose not to give his e-mail address as you also have not, so unless you enter your question no one can help you. Might negate a trip to Sheffield.

On my soap box now LOL.
If you put your e-mail address where it askes for it, it can not be harvested by any bott (I think they call them) so is perfectly safe. Use a new e-mail address if you are still concerned...... but do NOT place it in the message as that could be a problem with replies that could cause spam being directed to you.

In seven years I have only had one person complain about being spammed and to be honest I believe that it was his error and nothing to do with our FORUM.

Now to the LDS..

Yes I believe that they do not always place on line everything that is available on the originals. Dont forget that originally it was only an index for you to search and then order either the films or fiche to search.

Something else to keep in mind. Many of the early registered that were filmed by the LDS with regards to Sheffield were the Bishops Transcripts (Borthwick) as they were denied access for many years by the Bishop of Sheffield. I know some of the fiche I have had over the last little while where there seems to have been a filming in Sheffield in 1998ish.

I have recently been researching my Machen family from Ecclesfield and found some of the condensed info on the New Family Search Site. The CD on marriages and births from S&DFHS also have more info on them i.e. place of birth.There again I am talking about prior to 1837 info.

So in short you need to see the originals and in my case its a film or fiche rather than a plane ride and a visit to Sheffield Archives.

Hope that helps.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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The information given is sparse, Area, List of occupations,

ECCLESFIELD

FARMERS
Frederick Taylor, Hoyle House

BOOT AND SHOE MAKERS
William Dawson, Hoyle House

hi

Thanks Elaine, I expected the soap box to make an appearance lol. I prefer private messaging for detailed help. Nothing to do with your site security. I'm a Web designer amongst other things, so I understand all that in depth. I seldom put my email addresses on message boards. Is there any chance this site will have private messaging facility any time in the future.? Else I use available emails on here to communicate. Also, I'm going to Sheffield anyway, as I do every week.

Strange the bishop of Sheffield in olden times not allowing access to LDS, old fashioned ideas about religious competition I suppose. I'll mention it to the bishop next time I have him to dinner.

Thanks Pete, it was something totally unconnected to Hoyle house on the 1871 Directory I needed to confirm.

Hi Ann,

Nothing being planned to alter how we contact people as it works very well for 99.9% of the people who use our Forum.

It's easy peasy and thats how it should be.

Elaine in Ottawa,

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"Thanks Pete, it was something totally unconnected to Hoyle house on the ( 1871 Directory I needed to confirm )."

Which is why I went out of my way to get the disk, but confirmed nothing other than what was here on the Indexers.

Hi Pete

Sorry don't understand your reply??

Are you talking about a disk for Hoyle House, or 1871 Directory transcription?

I managed to go to Sheffield library as I usually do at regular intervals and check again the 1871 Directory information I had noted down. I thought I'd miss noted something but hadn't. I wanted someone to do a quick check for me to see if I'd made a mistake but I hadn't. Must be a different directory I noted my information from. I'll get to the bottom of it.

Ann

Hi Elaine

Easy-peasy it certainly is, but private it is not, which as you say doesn't suit all folk, and also is their right.

How on earth did you manage to do such a detailed survey? (99.9%)

There again I suppose it is difficult, if not impossible, to assess the number of those who don't post queries on here because of the lack of private messaging. I've spoken to a few people at various FHS days, and when I recommended Indexers message board for their particular queries, they said they didn't want to plaster their private family names on open forums. I suppose these days more than ever it pays to be careful.

I can safely say therefore that this site is 99.9% perfect.

Hope this helps you to assess future need.

Regards
Ann

Elaine
I would like you to know,that im my humble opinion,the message Forum,and website works a treat.
Much work is carried out off forum,when it comes to forum users wishing to engage in private communication.
If it ain't broken - don't try fixing it.
And please continue devoting your time and effort,with the team,on this splendid site,it is greatly appreciated by all of us.
Kindest regards Brian.

Quite right Brian, newcommers can access the forum to pose queeries and if a topic is alresy on there that they are interested in post replies. Then when they get to know each other and agree to swap email addresses then lots of work is done behind the scenes especially if it involves asking people to look for information that you do not want to post on the forum.

This site works, it's free, it contains lots of information, it gives you the option to place your e-mail address there when you post if you wish to be contacted.
I recommend this site at every opportunity, my own family history research would have ground to a halt years ago if this site didn't exist.
I've made many contacts on here, private and public, you choose how you wish to be.
As Brian so rightly says, why try to fix what isn't broken. Elaine and the transcribers do an excellent job and I applaud them.
Regards,
Marlene

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Hi,

I do like the idea of personal messaging but it is not essential as there is a facility to place an email address along with your name. If there are security concerns over the email address, then a temporary/throw away email address should be used. I don't use a dummy email address on here but I do have one for sites that I don't trust.

However, a disadvantage of the personal messaging system is that it encourages people to communicate off the forum. To me, this bad. I would encourage everybody to communicate and share information on the forum so that the information can be read by others. If I were Elaine, I would not wish to fund a personal messaging system. But of course, the option to communicate off forum is always available by disclosing an email address along with the message.

I've hosted my own websites for a number of years now and I've dabbled with a number of different forums; notable ones being SimpleMachines phpBB, Vanilla and bbPress. I am not even certain that Bravehost offer the option of personal messaging so such a feature would involve the creation of an entirely new forum. The beauty of Bravehost though is that all the maintenance and backups are taken care of by them, reducing the need for forum management tasks and thus allowing the site to concentrate on what it does it best, which is the discussion of Sheffield and its people. Bravehost is a very simple format which doesn't require passwords, registrations, etc and I think it is this simple format that helps to make the forum as popular as what it is.

Craig Mollekin

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Craig
Very nicely put,we already have (certain) individuals posting on this site under the cloak of anonymity,motives unknown.
And there is no need for pms on this forum,it works very well as things stand.
The whole point is to share information learn,and develop, and enjoy the company of like minded individuals.
Much work is done off forum,but the nitty gritty is done on forum,which is of benefit to all,from a learning aspect.
Kind regards Brian.

Hi all

Elaine

99.9% was your own figure given above, I assumed you'd done a survey to get this figure?? I was quoting your own figure back at you.

You can't please all of the people all of the time by any site.

I speak for the less brave amongst users of this site who are perhaps too scared to post any slight criticism, improvement suggestion, or constructive criticism (as my suggestion was) lest they get a barrage of criticism, defensive comments and the odd veiled comment about my use of my board name. I use the same board name across all the genealogy sites I use. This is for personal admin and research purposes, so that my fellow family researchers can recognise me and don't duplicate the research in our vast family in three countries. (No sinister reasons of anonimity, thank you) Anyone may know who I am if required, but not on open forum, please ask me to email you if you have concerns. Privacy on the internet is also my right.

Ann

I'm at a loss to understand what you're asking of this site.
I only speak as an individual who uses this site for my own private family history research, I occassionally assist other users who need a look-up, it's my way of giving back to what has been an extremely helpful site to me over the years.
If I wish someone to "private message" me then I simply place my e-mail address at the head of my message.
I don't see what your problem is with this site, can you explain to novices like myself?
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Marlene

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The edit facility did not appear, so this is a continuation of my post.

If my posts are actully read again by those posting above, I have never criticised the value of this site at all, ever?? But as grateful as we all are for it, no one would pretend it is perfect. We should not be penalised for offering suggestions or defending our right to privacy.

My feedback (get it-FEEDBACK, remember that?)was about privacy, and private messaging

Craig

My whole point was that , like me, not everyone wishes to post an email address, throw away , replaceable, or otherwise. Not everyone is as savvy about getting multiple email accounts etc. especially older retired researchers, who might be non too IT savvy. (And while you are all on my case, I'm not ageist as I am older myself!)

Also my point was that private messaging solves all that, no need for extra email ccounts, no showing email addresses. And those wishing to go private could do, the rest could still post on open forum, and give their email addresses as now. It's not a case of one thing or the other, it's just an extra facility.

I agree general information is good to share on open forum, but not private detailed family stuff, no one needs that except the enquirer. There is enough general stuff/ enquiries going on for everyone to learn from.

It would also allow long continued detailed help off board, as in the help I gave to Mark on the Spalding family recently.

It's good to debate about things, otherwise sites don't move on and improve.

Marlene

Thank you for asking, instead of just jumping on the blinkered protectionist bandwagon.

I'll explain as simply as I can for anyone who doesn't understand. The fact is, giving your email address for people to see on any open forum is not a good idea. Although there may be protection in place within the design of the website to prevent your email address from being picked up automatically by trawling programs designed to do this, anyone at all can click on the email link and get your email address. Anyone at all in the world. They can then do with that address what they will, mischievous use etc

Having said that, most people on genealogy sites are of like mind, very trusting and trustworthy, but the fact is your email address is vulnerable. Now, what Craig meant was that if someone is so concerned about their existing valued email address being taken and given to spamming sites, thereby causing the owner of the email address to receive so much spam that they have to change their email address, then he suggested getting another (extra) email address (that you don't really care about having to lose), for use on open forums.

In private messaging, used on a lot of genealogy forums and other forums, allows email addresses to be kept secret to all, and you can still give your email address to anyone if you want to, privately, or on open forum. It allows choice to be private if you want to.

This site relies on simplicity and trust, in order to function as simply and cheaply as possible, which is fine for most users who trust in human nature.

This is not a popular topic as it would mean changing the website fairly dramatically. I tend to cover my head with my hands whenever I dare to make a suggestion.

Ann

I'm not at all computer savvie, I can manage to e-mail and access information for family history research and, I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to set up a throw away e-mail account but, I simply put my e-mail address on the heading if I want, it's optional.
I'm obviously missing the point of your complaint though I'd like to understand you and, assist if I can.
Regards,
Marlene

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Marlene

Check out my last reply, edited while you were posting.

Ann

This post is getting very tedious,and boring.
I reckon the Kitchen post is alot more interesting.
If I wanted a sermon,I would attend church.

Morning Ann,

Please contact me Privately.

Elaine in Ottawa.

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