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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

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Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

So I was practicing just now, and I hit my usual lowest note, somwhere around C2. And then I decided to try to keep going down and what do you know, I went all the way down to E1! It sounded crappy and useless, but I did hit the note. The interesting part wasn't so much the sound as much as it was the sensation, it felt like there was an earthquake in my chest. I definitely 100% felt that my core of resonance was lowered, it's like I found a whole new register. I just sort of focused on lowering my core and tried to really relax BAM I went waaay lower. It was weird, I could almost like feel my vocal chords totally relaxing.

Basically, the point is, if anyone wants to go way lower, really relax and focus on lowering the resonance way down into your chest. Jaime knows what he's talking about regarding the core of resoncance. It definitely works for the low notes. (Thanks Jaime!)

I had been working all night on the high notes, and I gain almost an octave of low notes. Haha, just my luck.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

An E1? Impressive. But if you usual low note was a C2, you should have had some kind of clue as to where your natural talents lie too. Most men I know cannot go past a G2. I can only get down to a D2 on a really good day, or if I am practicing (I can drop down to a C1 but it's just rattle with some semblence of a note down there, REALLY quiet. I've heard some guys produce loud, loooud notes down there though, and that's imo more impressive than singing high.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

Yeah I've always known my natural strengths were in the low end, which is frustrating because I've always wanted to do the high note thing. I think I may have gone all the way down to a C1 but it wasn't really a note at all, like you said it was sort of just rattly noise, but the E1 was the lowest one that was an actual note.

I'd imagine it would be ridiculously hard to hit loud and clear notes down there, because my E1 felt like there was so little breath pressure that it would be hard to do anything useful with it. I CAN do something useful all the way down to A1 though, it's pretty loud and clear down to there, so i'd imagine I could work on it to get it really singable. Because we all know great songs full of A1s

I guess I should be excited about this improvement, but it's actually made me pretty frustrated. I've been working my ass off to get through my bridge and hit clear and comfortable head voice notes for a good 6 months and still can't do it, and suddenly my low range increases. It just makes me feel sort of like there's no hope for me with the higher end stuff. But whatever, some improvement is better than no improvement I guess.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

The fact that you can hit an E1 is very impressive indeed. You've actually helped me with guitar info before, so I believe my lowest note it D2. If that's a guitar tuned in Drop-D, then it's a D2. My highest note (but only with falsetto so far) is an A5. I'm going with Fater on this one though. It's truly amazing to hear someone hit those bellowing lows. I feel kinda outta place on this message board sometimes because everybody here seems to realy be into 80's hair band stuff. That's cool and all, but I listen to so many types of music, and appreciate the various attributes that they all bring to the table. Sometimes I feel like people are more in it for the FASTER, HIGHER, LOUDER, than the very passion of it. I normally keep my mouth shut on such matters because I don't wanna response from someone saying "Matijevic or Michael Sweet could kick your ass!" Frankly, I don't care. I normally don't use the EXTREME highs or lows in my range for the sake of using them. Anyways, I'm just rambling at this point. I'm proud of you, man. Keep up the awesome work!

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Haha thank you, man. I mean, I'm glad I can do the low notes, but all I really want to do is get through my bridge and sing some head voice notes. I'm not even going for statospheric Jim Gillette notes or anything(...yet). I'm just trying to get through my bridge and hit moderate highs and can't seem to do it yet.

I still can't really sing above D4 yet....though with my new low range improvement, that means I've got about 3 octaves. That's one good thing about improving your low range...you can make other singers think you can hit crazy high notes. I could just keep working on the low notes and say "Oh, yeah i've got a 6 octave range."...but what I won't say is that it's from C-2 to middle C.
Haha, C-2...I'd sing so low no one could hear it.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

Hey man! I'm in the same road as you. I'm a bass
and my lowest note is a F2. Sometimes i can hit
an E2 but not everyday. Just humming..

Just a curiosity.. arround B3 or a3 do you feel some
change in your tone? Some teachers say that the
bass first bridge is arround A,a# or B below middle
C. Maybe its because this we get very 'hard' at that
area from C4 to E4. I'm having trouble too in this
area too. We will get it

Some day i could hit a full voice in D and E4 but
again i cant hit. LOL!! its crazy somedays i hit
and somedays not. I'll never, never, anymore eat
any bread or drink milk. i hate phlegm. ahhh!

i can say that at B3 and C4 i feel the chords trying
to do something.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

For what it's worth, that stuff (natural range) to me means crap. I'm a baritone who can get to the Eb above Soprano C. I have worked for a LONG time on getting my mix voice to kick in LOWER so that the "rock" tone starts earlier. I found that when I sang chest around the F above middle C, I didn't sound like my ROCK GOD heroes. I trained my falsetto/mix voice to kick in around middle C if I want it, so I can add some bullshit/grit to it to get it more "rock" sounding. It's developed into a voice my teacher says is an "extremely big/resonant falsetto/mix that doesn't sound like it." THANK YOU JAMIE VENDERA.

That range stuff is crap. It's VERY cool that you can sing that low. I've had to sing "Lowrider" before and could have used you. :)

Keep working on breathing man. I don't get my screams out of my throat all the time, and don't always get the resonance I need, but as long as I'm breathing correctly, watch out audience. :)

Great work so far, keep it up. I've found that whatever you want your voice to "do," this book/methodology can pretty much get you there. You might not sound as good as someone else at it, but hey, you're doing it. :)

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

C2-middle C is only two octaves, no four. I am sure you can go higher falsetto though. I am sure you can hit a C5, maybe even a C6, so 4 octaves total is probably not out of your reach.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

James, were you referring to my post? When I said C-2 to middle C, I meant C negative 2....it was just like a joke, you know how singers are always talking about their huge ranges, and were it possible to hit notes that low, then you could still have a massive range and not be able to hit anything above middle C.( )

Anyway, I can hit things above middle C, I can technically hit full voice notes up to A5, I just can't sing using them yet. I can sing like a single vowel sound on them, but I cant move between them too well and I certainly cant sing through my bridge. So in a very very technical sense, I guess I have about 4 and a half octaves, but I can only sing with about 2 or 3.

Re: Holy crap, I guess i'm a bass...

Oh yeah, well my dog can hit a B in the 643rd octave, and I don't even have a dog! I just got off work from a long day and I'm feelin' kinda retarded right about now, so please excuse my idiocy.

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Oh, and Paul, I don't really feel a bridge around A3/B3...between C4 and C#4 is basically when things start to change drastically for me. There's a little change around A3, but certainly nothing I would call a bridge. I mean, if the change I experience around A3 is considered a bridge, I must have about 30 bridges. I tend to feel little changes all throughtout my range, but it seems like my one bridge is from maybe C4-G4.