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Re: Unintentional distortion in head voice

Hey Jaime. I am not sure if I am experiencing the same thing as Pram but here is what happens to me. As I do my exercise mainly full voice exercise I have a pretty clear tone but when I reach the A#4 to B4 and even C5 it is like brain starts to negotiate which way to go about getting through this area. I can do those notes in full chest but in order to do so I tend to push down a lot more causing me to distort through that range. Once I get past those and I am forced to thin the voice as I negotiate on in through to A5 my voice is very clean again. In fact I have yet to learn to be able to distort in my higher range.

Now if I approach the A#4 to C5 if I loose the weight of my voice and go ahead and lean more towards my head voice register the sound is clean. I do not feel any strain when my voice does distort. I know it is coming from me pushing down and really getting that girth chest in that higher range. I guess my question would be is how can I negotiate this area in my full chest tone without distorting. This small area seems to be the hardest for me A#4 to B. I don't flip or anything its just that I can't seem to make a decision on how to approach this part of my range. Should I go ahead and thin out and loose that girth so i don't distort or to I keep on doing it until my full voice learns how to negotiate this area.

Some of my most favorite singers in the world seem to live in this area. One that comes to mind is Rick Emit From Triumph. I notice when he sings in this area it is very thin sounding. One song that comes to mind is Magic Power. Of course I have never heard Rick distort while singing. I like to be able to do both for style reasons but just wondering when doing my exercises should I go ahead and start thinning out around the A#4 so that I stay clean or should I do this exercises both ways to continue building my chest in that higher range. Its like my mind gets scared when I get to those notes because I can't decide on what should I do. I should probably use this and make a audio file and submit this in the VVA academy for a critique. Record this both ways ads me doing it in full voice or thinning it out. Its just when I stay in full voice sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not.

Sorry for such a long post.It is hard for me to put in words what I am experiencing. I am not noticing any tension. Sometimes I will choke out if I stay in full voice and I do feel the tension but other times it works but it gets down right Narly and distorted. I am pretty sure the distortion comes when I really push down with my support.

Re: Unintentional distortion in head voice

Hey Michael, I had not even considered that I was using too much support! That is probably it... Another thing that causes distorted tone in the high range is singing with too much twang. Take twang too far, and it brings the false folds closer to each other so they're almost touching.

Need to experiment... But it's got to be one of those things or the other. The strange part is that when I sing in CVT Overdrive (shouty), there's no distortion. The distortion creeps in when I try to sing in Edge (cackly), which requires more twang than Overdrive.

For both of us, the problem could even be as simple as not using the correct vowel for the pitch. That would put you inbetween modes, which also causes distortion. I know what vowels have to be used above C5, but haven't found much information about un-modifying them lower in the range (C4-C5).

What I find interesting, is that I used to have the exact opposite problem: too much breathiness on those same notes! It's amazing how you can try to do something to correct a problem and end up going the other way into a different problem.