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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Re: I think I damaged my voice!....What should i do?

First things first. Don't have a spaz. Relax - we ALL have been through this.
Don't let it get you down. Think of this as a learning experience. You simply were not ready to correctly apply the techniques you have learned in the real world yet. Drink lots of water, honey with hot water (i put Apple Cider Vinegar in this as well.) And make sure that you are taking all the things you need to be taking (calcium, magnesium, zinc, etc.)

You're going to have to learn to utilize what I was told was "Glottal Compression" (I'm not sure what Jaime calls it, or if he even uses the same term. He and I haven't actually called it this when we've talked about breathing and breath control, but Glottal Compression is holding back the breath so that it sounds like you are singing harder/louder than you really are. It allows you to sing with a type of vocal grit, tone, and distortion. Think about trying to sound like Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell. That is Glottal Compression in action. You don't do it at the top of your lungs - you aren't blowing as much as as possible, you're doing it at about 50% to 75% volume.

I'm not necessarily sure how to tell you how to do it. I stumbled onto it while trying to learn to sound like Ronnie James Dio, and I went,"Oh, so that's how you do it." My vocal instructor (She taught Classical/Opera-based routines) at the time said,"That's Glottal Compression" and I've called it that ever since.

So, you are going to really have to work on the power push, while holding back the breath by maintaining the ribs in a suspended state - i.e., you keep the ribs open, while locking the diaphragm down.(aka "The Power Push".)

Jaime and I do this differently. He lets the ribcage slowly collapse with the lungs as the diaphragm raises.
I maintain the ribs in an expanded state while holding the diaphragm down. When I do the "Power Push", I pull the pelvic floor muscles up at the same time. (You press down like you are going to have a bowel movement, but you tighten the PC muscle, which is the muscle in the front of the perineum that controls the flow of urine.)
I let the lungs collapse while keeping the ribs constantly open. Yes, this is uncomfortable at first, but you can get used to it. (Or at least I did.)



Keep in mind, this is my opinion:

Kurt Cobain was a horrible singer. I don't mean the sound of his voice, we're talking technique here.. his technique was awful. The guy just yelled and screamed at the top of his lungs on some of their material, and I'm willing to bet that after a few of those songs - he had days off from laying vocal tracks. I saw him live twice, and they stayed at one of my friend's houses when they played at "Einstein A Go-go" in my hometown in Florida. (we're talking before "Nevermind" came out. Einstein's was an internationally known Alternative/Non-Alcohol club. Who needed booze when the kids were all on psyche meds for depression?)
This is cool

These days, a record label and/or management would have sent him to a vocal coach like Jaime to make sure his voice could endure that for a tour, or they probably wouldn't let him have recorded it. I mean, what good is a record that a band can't reproduce live?

That's how Ron Keel wound up being Elizabeth Sabine's first metal student... his last tour with Steeler let him know he wasn't ready to tour, so he began voice training with her, and she taught him how to release the energy to be able to do it for an entire tour without blowing his voice out.
So, it's just a technique you'll need to work on - but your breath support is going to have to be in top shape to really be able to utilize it correctly.



Tim

Re: I think I damaged my voice!....What should i do?

Tim,

Thanks for the kind words and advice.. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to this..I know everything's going to be fine.. I have been playing instruments my whole life and have experienced all types of setbacks (tendinitis, playing gigs with fingers bandaged, ect.) this is just the first time it has happened with my voice so i got extra nervous about it..

I think I have experienced what you are calling "glottal compression" I'm just not at the point of being able to control it..

Another question.. After i feel sufficiently healed, should i just start practicing again? or is there a different type of routine one uses after this sort of event?


Once again Thanks so much for your insight.

BTW.. whats scary about Kurt is that he did all the vocal takes for "In utero" in 6 hours.. Granted he also suffered from chronic laryngitis...

Re: I think I damaged my voice!....What should i do?

Here's a vid I made about glottal compression:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgAlu6hmMwE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUc0IfmOTRYLb_pJx-O-FZiw

What do you do when you damage your voice like you did? REST!!! NO TRAINING. just rest!! You already discovered that once you pushed it it got worse.

Leave it! Take a week off. two weeks off. whatever it takes!

Blessings,
Phil Moufarrege
Grow-The-Voice.com

Re: I think I damaged my voice!....What should i do?

Exactly what Phil said. As soon as your voice feels uncomfortable stop, don't wait till it completely breaks down.

Re: I think I damaged my voice!....What should i do?

Thanks everyone..

I plan on taking a good long rest.

After that i'll start training easy again and build back up..

I'll post some stuff once i get healed up..


Thanks for all your insights.

Phil,

I really enjoy your videos and have been watching them over the last few days..