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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

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Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

I forgot to add:

When humming, I feel my whole skull shaking, the core is depending on the pitch of my voice. But when singing with my full voice, I don't really feel all this buzzing in my head in high registers. This might be a clue, maybe?

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

On these high notes the most important thing is to have a highly focused tone. Think of the triangle visualisation...Not much air either. And unless you free yourself from strain you wont really go higher. The more relaxed you become the higher you will be able to go. And I don't feel lots of vibrations on these notes either. As far as I know that's normal.

I also just want to mention that a G5 is already a very high note, and there's not many uses to it except as a showoff note. You won't really sing lots of phrases that high. I suggest that you focus on the C4-C5 range instead which is the most important and probably hardest area for a singer to train. The more you develop your overall technique the more effortless the C5+ notes will be.

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

Thanks for the answer, I still have some questions though.

What do you mean by "a highly focused tone"?

You know, my main aim is not really to go higher and higher (even though I would welcome some broader range), but to sing these C5-G5 notes without the unnecessary stress in my throat but maintaining the power, even adding some more.

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

First of all, I am not an expert, I'm just learning like you. :) So what I meant by that is that your core of resonance is supposed to be small. The top of the triangle as I said. Of course that is just a visualisation which in practice might translate differently to different people. That's why you can only learn to sing by singing. But you can start by trying to eliminate every sign of strain...even if it's a high note your posture and facial expression does not need to change much so keep an eye on that. Your support also has to be good, you have to focus downwards because if you don't do that you may end up focusing upwards which will make you choke.

I am not saying you should not feel any tension at all and go lightly all the way. High energy singing requires plenty of it. But especially if you feel excessive muscle tension outside your vocal box like your jaw/tongue/neck that is something to look into.

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

Really, I feel like I'm unable to do that. I can't find any way that will raise the pitch of my voice other than pushing and thus straining... (except for the airy falsetto that also dries my voice)

I surely am doing it wrong - the neck vein occurs in the mirror. But I just can't figure out how to do it other way.

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

I'd kill for just a C5 :) I'm still trying to find my way to a G4 without straining.

Is there really any practical singing application to going above G5?

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

My chest voice changes into head voice around B4 (used to be A4 some time ago but improved, yeah!) and it's the point where the straining begins if I want to go any higher while keeping the power :(

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

Bartok
My chest voice changes into head voice around B4 (used to be A4 some time ago but improved, yeah!) and it's the point where the straining begins if I want to go any higher while keeping the power :(


When you say head voice you mean falsetto? Because using chest voice up to B4 is really hard for most people and will cause huge amounts of strain. Most singers sing in chest only as high as F4-G4.

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

Now that you say it, I'm not 100% sure about it, but I think that my A#4 is still chest voice but a little softer than F#4 for example.

When I started singing, A4 was my point where the voice was cracking, I've always thought that it was the border between my chest and head voice. Now I can go from lower notes to A#4 and sometimes B4 without any crack or any change in tone that's why I think it's still chest voice.

And yeah, the problem is that I can't go any higher without straining unless it's a really soft falsetto :(

Re: Zipper technique, any other tips?

Oh, now I realised that maybe all these high notes up to B4/C5 actually IS my head voice and B4/C5 is the highest note my "singing muscles" can take without straining and I can broaden this range by exercising. Well, that might be the point.


It seems like I have the solution now. I'll avoid screaming these D5-G5 notes unhealthily until I'm able to hit them with a full voice.
What I thought was a head voice, was actually a unhealthily distorted falsetto. Or maybe I'm still wrong, I don't know