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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Enrique
Apr 9, 2013 - 8:00PM
Medium & High grit issue

Fellows: I downloaded the RYV 2nd edition book and also the Extreme Screaming vol 2 CD just to learn the screaming technique Jaime uses. My voice is naturally very clean and I want to add some grit to it for singing hard/heavy rock up in the high register. Working with the mp3s -also with those which came with the book- I managed to do the "low grit" decently. Then I realised that the same technique wouldn't allow me to rise the pitch past C4sharp/D4. Of course I know the inner mechanism of the vocal folds changes around those same notes, my first break point. I'm pretty stuck now, because every try to overcome that limitation affects my bridging, leaving me with an uncontrolled break for 10 minutes or so or, sometimes, till I do the bridging exercises/sirens again, to regain control. In short, I can do "gritallica" but can't go up in pitch maintaining grit, not to mention the "back in black" thing...I can sing high notes without grit very well, so maybe I'm doing something wrong or didn't understand something about how to produce medium/high grit. Can you help me on this one?

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Christopher_JC
Apr 10, 2013 - 7:19AM
Re: Medium & High grit issue

Hi,

Practice grit with a slight breathy falsetto to take the pressure off.

If you want to go high and strong you need to be able to do transcending tone.

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Enrique
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:23PM
Re: Medium & High grit issue

Thank you Christopher,I'll try that. Are you implying that for grit is a need to use full voice?

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Christopher_JC
Apr 10, 2013 - 2:35PM
Re: Medium & High grit issue

Hi again,

No. If you can do full voice easily you just add grit to it.

You mentioned wanting to go 'high/medium'. To do that with strength you need full/mixed voice. Grit is just a breath and placement manipulation to distort sound.

If you can do grit you can apply it to whatever you want. The only issue is when you can't do the tone half and so when you apply the grit you strain and damage yourself.

To avoid this you train separately and when you attempt to combine them you first practice with a breathy falsetto to take off all the connective pressure.

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Enrique
Apr 11, 2013 - 3:57PM
Re: Medium & High grit issue

Thank you again, Christopher. Interesting view on grit "breath and placement manipulation". Can you explain it a little more, the way you see it?

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Enrique
Apr 16, 2013 - 2:02PM
Re: Medium & High grit issue

Thank you Christopher!

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