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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Manipulating tone post grit

Hello! I recently purchased Raise Your Voice and have been avidly working through as much as possible since and I've come up with a question concerning the tone of my grit. Between the exercises available within the program and mimicking Jaime's basic examples of grit I can now achieve a very similar grit tonally in a basic exercise context. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7dHoEmUtIs This is an example of one of the other "grit tones" I'm pursuing. To my ears it's not quite the same grit that I can do so far or that of others who have learned grit through Raise Your Voice. Given the stamina he has singing this tune I'm assuming that what is going on is still happening in the soft palate. If anyone with more experience could take a listen and maybe compare the tone to the grit that you initially learn through the Raise Your Voice exercises I would really appreciate the help. Even if this particular example doesn't suit you I'm interested in the idea of manipulating grit tone so if you've had a similar experience I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

Re: Manipulating tone post grit

It just sounds like a blues tone with a little grit done with a med-high voice.

Just focus on getting the tone and grit separately and then combine them.

Trying to sound EXACTLY like someone else can be difficult, but the general technique is not.

Practice in a light falsetto and record till you get coordinated.

BUT you must be able to do grit and tones easily before doing this because adding a little grit can be challenge (as opposed to just staying in it).

Also, if you don't can't do the tone you'll just distort your throat and hurt yourself 'reaching' for it, especially when applying grit.

Hope that helps

Re: Manipulating tone post grit

Right, this is just one example of another direction of grit. I don't mean to say this is the tone for me I'm just curious about being able to control the tone more. If I'm understanding you correctly are you saying to find the desired tone sans grit and then add the grit as needed? essentially blending your clean tone with x amount of grit? Also I recently checked out your high scream post, nicely done!

Re: Manipulating tone post grit

Yes. But you should practice all screams and tones in like a breathy falsetto first. This is how most people imitate screams and tones who even have no vocal training.

Grit should also be practiced separately.

Then when you have enough muscle memory you can commit to doing the tone in full/mixed voice and then after feeling good about that, add some grit.

When first doing screaming my soft pallet felt sort of like stiff cardboard. And I actually got a little sharp pain a few times because it was like the first time it ever really moved. BUT I was very cautious and slowed down and kept rethinking the pain to make sure I wasn't damaging myself. Basically after the first day I never had it again and there was no soreness.

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As for learning different tones, screams, and grits you should check out Jaime's ScreamingLessons.com

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Thanks about the high screams but they aren't that good. That was my first time screaming and I maxed at A#5 a couple of times there, but didn't have many tones or good mask/head resonance.

Now my max is easily at D#6 when screaming and I have more tones and resonance.

The important thing is I had fun and you should too or practicing gets boring.

Re: Manipulating tone post grit

Great, thanks!