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Journey on a Lip Roll

I've picked 3 Journey songs to start working with,

1. Don't Stop Believing
2. Separate Ways
3. Any Way You Want It

After warming up with 500 consecutive bullfrogs and 10 of the 8/4/16 breath exercise, I proceeded to lip roll the above songs. With expanded ribs, micro-breaths and power-pushing any high notes.

I got through OK although song #3 was a little high on the tempo. After lip rolling I tried light humming, it felt like a resonant falsetto rather than a full tone.

Then when I proceeded to sing Don't Stop Believing, all I could manage was a falsetto with an obvious resonance attached.

It was very thin but not falsetto, it had a small amount of buzzyness to the tone.

My question is, how long will it take until this thickens up? If it ever will.

And, should I lip roll until I've achieved pitch perfection and then move on to the humming and the light singing?

When I lip roll I literally sing the song inside my mouth, whilst keeping the tongue relaxed and larynx in a neutral position.

Any help/tips on this?

Thanks.

Re: Journey on a Lip Roll

The lip rolling is just for warming up. Learning to sing at a pure but tiny tone teaches muscle memory. It could take days, weeks or months. It is dependent upon the individual. As you lock the song into ace at a tiny volume, like a 1 on a scale of 1-10, then you can bring it up to maybe a 2 or 3, until you mastred that, and on and on. I know singers, pro singers, who sing their full voice songs anywhere from a volume 0f 1-10 and a tone anywhere from a falsetto to mixed to full. They way you are trianing now is very close to falsett, but I promise tat if you stick to it, it will happen;)I hope you are not skipping Vocal Stress Release???
JV

Re: Journey on a Lip Roll

I'm just taking a guess here, Jaime please correct me if I'm wrong. I have to say that 500 bullfrogs seems like an awful lot if you're still working on the initial building of your range. What I mean is, if you're doing them RIGHT before singing you may be bringing your singing muscles to the point of fatigue almost before you even start singing. I would say reduce the amount of bullfrogs and/or put them at another time of day, separate from your singing exercises. You may find that by doing all those bullfrogs your range has already increased more than you know. Do you ever try singing after a lighter warm up? Are the results different?

Re: Journey on a Lip Roll

Paul, thank you for catching that. I didn't pay attention. Yes you should NOT be doing bullfrogs as part of your warmup. They are a separate workout. They will fatigue your voice doing 500. Doing maybe 50 bullfrogs will help get the blood flowing to the cords, but 500 before singing is a little much. Keep them separate.

JV

Re: Journey on a Lip Roll

Many thanks for the tips guys, I'm really grateful for the advice you have been giving me.