Jaime please listen to this audio example!!!!

http://media.putfile.com/crunchy-voice-of-Mike

It's small cuts from Michael Jackson's songs where he do his crunchy stuff.
1. What's the name of thing he did- grit, growl?
2. It doesn't sound like usual grits and growls that I have heard in rock music(thought I'm not big listener of rock except Prince ) The sound is just like he is making this squeeze type of crunch not fry-type. It's very tight it just doesn't sound like fry orginated. If it's vocal fry originated what's his secret...?
3.Sometimes if you listen carefully it sounds like he's doing some strange manipulations with mouth to make this sound(I like it maybe it's to sweet for metal and rock lover like you... but I like it)
4.He's using this voice all the time still he has not harm his almost infant like soft singing...

What do you think?

I love prince and Michael Jackson. I grew up listening to both singers and loved Off The Wall, the album before Thriller. All throaty sound originate from a vocal fry type approach. He's more mid-range grit, like Nickelback. It will all be explained in due time:)

JV

So buy both books the DVD, fetch Mr. Vendera some chinese food from Solly Wong Numbel, and fly out for a vocal lesson.

See? I'm helping, Jaime!

NAH - ME THINKS JAIME SHOULD LIVE IN PHOENIX AREA!!!!!

And give free lessons like charity

I've given hundreds of free charity lessons. Sorry you missed em:(

JV

Dang it - Once again a day late and dollar short!!!!

how did mr. seth riggs allowed him to do such a grits if sls is popularizing so ''steril'' sing approch

Because in the end, Mr. Riggs does not control the singer. That was Micahel's choice. If you go back and listen to a CD like Off The Wall, you can tell he's using the easy mix/falsetto approach. But on Thriller, he took it upon his self to step up his game.

JV

OK I don't want to bother you... this is your ''singing temple'' but I know that Mr. Riggs was acctually traveling togather with Michael on Bad tour... it wasn't metal... anyway much harder than ''Trhiller'' a lot og gritty stuff, scream etc. And Q. Jones said that it was Riggs accoplishent to keep Michael tuned ''as good as Ferrari''.
It's really hard for me to understand that every one is talking around that SLS is week girl stuff still Tina Turner, Jackson, Wonder, Minelli are quiet strong singers (I don't compare them with ''Nitro'' ofcourse) while Madonna stopped studying SlS befor geting all basic and as singer she is quiet week

You aren't bothering me. That's what we are here for :) It's not weak girl stuff, but I know of many metal singers who tried it and it couldn't get them that full voice power. Another thing you've got to realize is that when you have a PA backing you, you can work the mic to add a grittier sound and more power.

Seth doesn't create the singer's voice and any vocal coach that tells you he does is full of bull. A singer has certain vocal characteristics already built in and a particular style that drives them. Michael and Tina were already power house singers. Seth didn't make them. He most likely saved their voices though by showing them how to soften the sound and work around the break. There is nothing wrong with that approach, but what I have chosen to teach here is how to use your voice in any fashion you choose from falsetto to mix to full. There is no concrete way to learn how to sing. You need to try different things and figure out what works for you:)

JV