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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

Respect !!!

Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

The more important is that we have tools to work, to improve and to be free with our voice, but personnaly even if I'd love to have an incredible range, I think it would be dangerous to sing like someone else or to work with the main goal to sing like someone else.

Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

Seventhson
Maybe I'm wrong, but for me it's nothing but fairy tales!
I am baritone, no matter how hard I will work, I'm sure I'll never hit C6 full-voice!
With years of hard work, I extend my full-voice from something like C5 to E5, and now it's really hard to go higher.
For instance, James Labrie from Dream Theater has an incredible range. I think he can hit A5 full-voice and something like E6 non-modal. If one day you meet him, would you tell him "come on James, this is only mental restrictions, with work you'll be able to hit E6 in full voice cause you can do it non-modal"?!!
I agree that depending on how you are made, you can extend your range with work and proper technics with several notes, but I think it's only fairy tales to think that you'll be able to go as high as you want. The higher you'll go, the harder and the longer it will be to gain only 1/2 note, to a point where it would be useless to insist.
I agree you. Everyone has to work within the genetic potential they are born with. Not everyone can gain super high notes. Some people with the genetic penitential can do it just like there are very very few people with the genetics to become top tier body builders. No matter how hard I train and what drugs I take, I will NEVER EVER be Arnold Schwarzenegger or Mike Mentzer, I just don't have the genetic potential for it. I can be a good looking well built dude with training and proper diet. Just because some baritones train to sing really high doesn't mean that they all can. I think it sets people up for failure and disappointment to say that everyone can do this or that if they work hard enough. Everyone can improve tremendously with a lot of practice though. Everyone can learn to be a good singer. Even if a person with a low voice can learn extend their range, to me it sounds crappy most of the time when they sing outside of their natural range. People should try to do whatever they want, but it helps to have realistic expectations. In my opinion, spending extra time learning to sing properly, emote, focusing on getting great tone, breath control, learning to sing harmony and/or play an instrument while you sing are much more satisfying endeavors than just working on range all the time. I think too many people automatically want to start working on getting a higher range before they learn how to sound good with what they already have, and it is a mistake. Please don't roast me for my comments. These things are just observations and opinions of mine.

Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

If you've never sung in whistle voice it can seem impossible if you're used to singing in your lower range. But I've done it plenty of times and it's all about getting the cords to zip up. Right now I have to train to get those notes back, but they came easily. And naturally with training.

Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

MelanieJoy
If you've never sung in whistle voice it can seem impossible if you're used to singing in your lower range. But I've done it plenty of times and it's all about getting the cords to zip up. Right now I have to train to get those notes back, but they came easily. And naturally with training.
I agree that with training some people can do those things. What I am saying is that I don't think that everyone can. I am not knocking anyone else's method or theories. That is just my opinion. It is going to be a lot easier for a female to sing in whistle voice than a male bass singer. I'm not saying that it can't be done. I just don't buy into the idea that anyone can do anything they want with their voice. If you can't get within miles of sounding like Stevie Wonder, you probably never will. That doesn't mean you don't have a great singing voice.

Re: Is there really no limit to how high you can sing?

Ben
MelanieJoy
If you've never sung in whistle voice it can seem impossible if you're used to singing in your lower range. But I've done it plenty of times and it's all about getting the cords to zip up. Right now I have to train to get those notes back, but they came easily. And naturally with training.
I agree that with training some people can do those things. What I am saying is that I don't think that everyone can. I am not knocking anyone else's method or theories. That is just my opinion. It is going to be a lot easier for a female to sing in whistle voice than a male bass singer. I'm not saying that it can't be done. I just don't buy into the idea that anyone can do anything they want with their voice. If you can't get within miles of sounding like Stevie Wonder, you probably never will. That doesn't mean you don't have a great singing voice.
The views of this commentator do not reflect the views of the author of Raise Your Voice or most of the great singers, and teachers on this board. They are merely my own observations.