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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Ben
Dec 28, 2011 - 10:28AM
Re: The Range Place :S

Timitzi
No offense taken! I personally love discussing singers like that but I know what you all mean. Me and many others have started to post some more diverse posts (and not just that same "x hits y note"), mostly because I love discussing singers in general, not just their notes. I also take it as an approach to learn new stuff, I've found listening to as many singer as possible a fantastic way to improve my singer (and I think I've improved SO much in three years).

Were you a registered user, Ben? If so, who were you? I'm just interested because there were couple of great guys who stopped posting at some point. But yes, you said it well: TRP should be taken with humour and interests in music and singing, not with too serious attitude. That's why some of us are throwing jokes everywhere all the time (especially Tomato).

I'm venturing off-topic now but are Jaime Vendera's training methods good? He seems like a **** impressive vocalist from what I've heard by him (not just those whistle notes) and I was definitely going to try his vocal program at some point.
Yeah man, my username over there is benbonewilly. I still read the forum from time to time. I just don't have anything to add that would change you guy's minds about anything. LOL! I do enjoy it, but the board gets quite repetitive, so I'm not so keen on visiting and posting anymore. Timitzi, how are you posting on here if you haven't purchased Jamie's Raise Your Voice book? There is a password required to access this site. It is for people who have purchased the book. Maybe you have and just haven't started using it yet.

Timitzi
Dec 28, 2011 - 2:25PM
Re: The Range Place :S

Ben
Timitzi
No offense taken! I personally love discussing singers like that but I know what you all mean. Me and many others have started to post some more diverse posts (and not just that same "x hits y note"), mostly because I love discussing singers in general, not just their notes. I also take it as an approach to learn new stuff, I've found listening to as many singer as possible a fantastic way to improve my singer (and I think I've improved SO much in three years).

Were you a registered user, Ben? If so, who were you? I'm just interested because there were couple of great guys who stopped posting at some point. But yes, you said it well: TRP should be taken with humour and interests in music and singing, not with too serious attitude. That's why some of us are throwing jokes everywhere all the time (especially Tomato).

I'm venturing off-topic now but are Jaime Vendera's training methods good? He seems like a **** impressive vocalist from what I've heard by him (not just those whistle notes) and I was definitely going to try his vocal program at some point.

Yeah man, my username over there is benbonewilly. I still read the forum from time to time. I just don't have anything to add that would change you guy's minds about anything. LOL! I do enjoy it, but the board gets quite repetitive, so I'm not so keen on visiting and posting anymore. Timitzi, how are you posting on here if you haven't purchased Jamie's Raise Your Voice book? There is a password required to access this site. It is for people who have purchased the book. Maybe you have and just haven't started using it yet.


Oh, it was you!

I do have the book, but I haven't had time to read it yet, that's why I asked.

You described it pretty well, TRP does teach some fabulous things too. There are good and bad sides of it, like you said.

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Ben
Dec 28, 2011 - 5:52PM
Re: The Range Place :S

Timitzi
Ben
Timitzi
No offense taken! I personally love discussing singers like that but I know what you all mean. Me and many others have started to post some more diverse posts (and not just that same "x hits y note"), mostly because I love discussing singers in general, not just their notes. I also take it as an approach to learn new stuff, I've found listening to as many singer as possible a fantastic way to improve my singer (and I think I've improved SO much in three years).

Were you a registered user, Ben? If so, who were you? I'm just interested because there were couple of great guys who stopped posting at some point. But yes, you said it well: TRP should be taken with humour and interests in music and singing, not with too serious attitude. That's why some of us are throwing jokes everywhere all the time (especially Tomato).

I'm venturing off-topic now but are Jaime Vendera's training methods good? He seems like a **** impressive vocalist from what I've heard by him (not just those whistle notes) and I was definitely going to try his vocal program at some point.

Yeah man, my username over there is benbonewilly. I still read the forum from time to time. I just don't have anything to add that would change you guy's minds about anything. LOL! I do enjoy it, but the board gets quite repetitive, so I'm not so keen on visiting and posting anymore. Timitzi, how are you posting on here if you haven't purchased Jamie's Raise Your Voice book? There is a password required to access this site. It is for people who have purchased the book. Maybe you have and just haven't started using it yet.


Oh, it was you!

I do have the book, but I haven't had time to read it yet, that's why I asked.

You described it pretty well, TRP does teach some fabulous things too. There are good and bad sides of it, like you said.
I think that the RYV isolation exercises are the best I've found for saving time strengthening my voice and increasing vocal flexibility. It applies to any style. I think of it as compendium of proper vocal advice and am still constantly referring to it over two years after I first read it. The only problem with RYV is that there is no video guidance. You have to kind of read and reread sections over and over to get stuff that could be easily explained in a video (I believe they are on the way!). I use other methods as well. I really like Seth Rigg's version of speech level singing. I honestly don't have time to train my voice for hours a day. Doing about 30 minutes total of RYV vocal exercising and Singing for the Stars exercises has gotten me exactly where I wanted to be as a singer for a LONG long time. I spend the rest of my time singing a LOT!

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Seventhson
Dec 29, 2011 - 8:47AM
Re: The Range Place :S

there are videos of the RYV exercices in the private section of jaimevendera.com!

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Ben
Dec 29, 2011 - 10:29AM
Re: The Range Place :S

Seventhson
there are videos of the RYV exercices in the private section of jaimevendera.com!
I am well aware of those videos. That is not what I'm talking about, my friend. I'm talking about videos of Jamie demonstrating every single example and concept in the book on video, himself.

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Ben
Dec 28, 2011 - 10:32AM
Re: The Range Place :S

Seventhson
pedagogue?
What does it bring me as a singer to read people discussing the fact that X sings C5 in falsetto or full voice or Y is a low tenor or a high baritone?
A lot of what they talk about is for entertainment and not necessarily to teach people how to sing. It's just guys that love discussing vocal fache, range, and singers that they love. I don't think that they claim to teach voice or anything. If you are curious about your favorite singer's vocal range/vocal type, then it is cool to check out. For instance, I like to sing Chris Isaak songs and I find it pretty easy to sing along with him. I looked him up on the Range Place and found out that he is a natural baritone with a range very close to mine. That is why I can do that so easily. Steve Perry on the other hand.........LOL! Well He's a tenor. There is no way I'll ever sound like him even if I train to hit the high notes I'll probably sound more like Axel Rose.

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