I'm one of the members of the forum, and I have to say that you all are giving pretty ******* harsh views on us.

First off, we are only counting what sounds full to us and what doesn't. It seems to be a common misconception that we DON'T care about sounding good but instead judge everything by pitches. That isn't true, because we are definitely most interested about notes that sound GOOD.

Jowox is our friend, our inspiration and one of the members of the forum. Few members of the forum have been making certain jokes about him (and his inaccurate vocal videos), but jowox rocks nonethless, he even has his own appreciation thread (which you can't see before logging in though).

Phil, like I said before, we prefer good sounding notes. If you look at David Lee Roth's thread, there are tons of jokes about his range, simply because his top notes are short, yelped and don't sound good. I'd take great falsetto note over bad full voice note anyday, same is with most of the forum members. I also love singers with smaller ranges, somebody like Richard Ashcroft is a really good singer, even without over 3 octave vocal range.

Doug, elitist community? Are you really serious? I mean, we have users called Tomato and Pineapple in our forum. We also take almost everything with humour, not to mention dissing other elitistic videos, sites and persons. If you go through almost any newer thread with many posts, you will notice that they are filled with all kinds of humour.

I'm okay with everyone stating their own opinion about the forum, but I really don't like seeing all these assumptions about us. We are normal people who are interested in singing, vocalists and music in general, I don't see anything elitistic about us. I hope I'm not coming across as an aggressive person, I just want to clear all the confusion and rumours about us.

Well, that was eight months ago.

Hi Timitzi and welcome!

Personally I don't read frequently Range Place but it's a good site to find new singers.

I also like the range videos you and Jowox create. They are interesting and entertaining.

I used to frequent the place, but hearing the exact same conversations over and over by the same five or six guys got a little boring. Here is the gist of it:

Conversation 1:

Singer X is a high baritone.

Are you sure he's a high baritone? Sounds like a low tenor to me.

Nah definitely a high baritone.

Nah, you are mistaken, low tenor. You can tell by how full his C5 sounds. Definitely a low tenor.

High baritone, did you hear how deep his voice sounds in that interview clip.

This can go on for pages and pages. LOL!

Conversation number 2

Singer X has a range of G2 to C5 (the C5 is in falsetto).

You sure that C5 is falsetto? Sounds full to me.

Nah, definitely falsetto.

Definitely not falsetto, you can tell by the rough edges of the note that it's full voice.

On and on and on this goes.

It is their site. They can talk about whatever they want. Most of those cats are really nice guys,but I do find it irritating that they are these self-proclaimed pedagogues that don't have any real training , yet wish to correct those who do have the training and experience. Listen to them sing.

If you just read what they say for entertainment and don't take it to heart, it is pretty funny.

Timitzi is a really nice guy, btw.

pedagogue?
What does it bring me as a singer to read people discussing the fact that X sings C5 in falsetto or full voice or Y is a low tenor or a high baritone?

Timitzi, nothing personal to you, mate. I read the forum all the time. I just find it extremely irritating that people are arguing over such minute differences all the time when a lot of the differences are felt changes in the voice. It also seems strange that some of the head people over there seem to create their own definitions for head voice and deny connected high notes as commonly falsetto when clearly it's head tones. The definition of head voice seems so vague on the site as well.

I also enjoy picking out notes and finding ranges of singers but I think that therangeplace does it in a very closed minded and pigheaded fashion especially the primary moderator of the site who agrees and disagrees with notes and vocal fachs for pages on end like Ben posted above here.

No offense taken! I personally love discussing singers like that but I know what you all mean. Me and many others have started to post some more diverse posts (and not just that same "x hits y note"), mostly because I love discussing singers in general, not just their notes. I also take it as an approach to learn new stuff, I've found listening to as many singer as possible a fantastic way to improve my singer (and I think I've improved SO much in three years).

Were you a registered user, Ben? If so, who were you? I'm just interested because there were couple of great guys who stopped posting at some point. But yes, you said it well: TRP should be taken with humour and interests in music and singing, not with too serious attitude. That's why some of us are throwing jokes everywhere all the time (especially Tomato).

I'm venturing off-topic now but are Jaime Vendera's training methods good? He seems like a **** impressive vocalist from what I've heard by him (not just those whistle notes) and I was definitely going to try his vocal program at some point.

You seem like a decent dude. I will probably join up at therangeplace now if the mindset has become more humorous and relaxed.

Send me an email Timitzi to douglas.skene@gmail.com

there are videos of the RYV exercices in the private section of jaimevendera.com!