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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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ThatGuy
Oct 18, 2011 - 7:48PM
How does Scott do this vocal effect?

Watch this video of Scott Weiland live in VR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozGHFzfdto


Throughout this song he has a whiny, gravely voice.

I know how to get that whiny quality pretty easily, it's basically that witch/cackle placement, forgot what it's really called.

But how do you get the distortion in the voice like that, especially while having your voice somewhat pinched like he's doing it?

That vocal distortion is similar to Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, but Scott is doing something additionally difficult I think, because Chad's voice sounds relaxed when he sings, which is usually how people say is a prime factor in distorting the voice like that, but Scott's voice doesn't sound very relaxed.

Thoughts?

Are any of you able to replicate it?

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Ben
Oct 19, 2011 - 3:29PM
Re: How does Scott do this vocal effect?

ThatGuy
Watch this video of Scott Weiland live in VR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozGHFzfdto


Throughout this song he has a whiny, gravely voice.

I know how to get that whiny quality pretty easily, it's basically that witch/cackle placement, forgot what it's really called.

But how do you get the distortion in the voice like that, especially while having your voice somewhat pinched like he's doing it?

That vocal distortion is similar to Chad Kroeger of Nickelback, but Scott is doing something additionally difficult I think, because Chad's voice sounds relaxed when he sings, which is usually how people say is a prime factor in distorting the voice like that, but Scott's voice doesn't sound very relaxed.

Thoughts?

Are any of you able to replicate it?


It just sounds like the strained voice of an untrained singer to me. I used to sound like that when I tried to push my chest voice too hard and didn't know how to bridge into middle easily. I don't sound like that anymore, thank God. I think it sounds bad. He sounds good when he is singing softer in the beginning. Scott Weiland is not known for taking care of himself, much less his voice. He was always one of those untrained guys full of passion just belting it out. This is a really great song though. I loved STP back in the early/mid 90s.

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ThatGuy
Oct 19, 2011 - 6:53PM
Re: How does Scott do this vocal effect?

Thanks for the reply!

You could be right. And yeah, he doesn't take care of himself. Sometimes Scott sounds like crap live, but other times he sounds great, hehe.

If what you're saying is the case, is there a way to get that "strained voice of an untrained singer" sound, but in a controlled and safe way?

t
ThatGuy
Oct 19, 2011 - 7:13PM
Re: How does Scott do this vocal effect?

In my opening post what I'm referring to specifically, for example is at 1:44-1:55 where he says "You got no right, to keep me waiting here. You got no right, to keep the pain in here". That tone he had was great. He didn't sound like he was pulling chest voice straining there.

Elsewhere at higher pitches he did sound kinda strained, as you pointed out though. Makes sense.

But how'd he get that tone at 1:44-1:55 without straining at the top of his range?

He seems to be doing the same thing here several times in this VR cover of Interstate Love Song. That gritty strained sound, yet not straining at the top of his range. (I do concede that he's all over the place in this video though.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pmq-ri06o

How do you do that? It sounds like something is vibrating in the back of his throat or something. It can't be vocal fry, because you lose it when you push that hard. What do you think?

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