Whats up y'all I'm new to this forum. I'm Tim, a 34 yo black rocker Pleased to meet you all

I have a very very important question and I need to know because it is very important.

I want to know how to add rawness/rasp to my voice without grunting. In the past I've grunted and noticed that it hurts and dries out my throat, so I don't do that no more. But I did got that throaty sound that I wanted.

I'm recording vox for a rock album right now, and I can only sing clean and, no offense clean singing is good for ballads and softer stuff, but this is hard rock, so I want a raw rough throaty raspy rock tone (NOT SCREAMO/DEATH METAL, but rock).

I'm kinda confused. I'm reading the For Hard Rockers Only section of RYV, and I see a section on grit, but I don't know if this is the same as rasp?? I also searched for the word rasp using the search function but couldn't find much.

I've searched on Youtube and other sites, but it's just not clear enough, and I really don't wanna harm my voice.

I'm trying to achieve a similar tone to:
Gene Simmons on the Lick It Up album (specifically the songs Fits Like a Glove/Young and Wasted)
Noddy Holder from SLADE (Ex: Dizzy Mama)
Randy Rampage on Alice in Hell (it's thrash metal but works for rock too )
I think they use full voice

That kinda rawness I really really need.

I'd be very very happy with ANY piece or bit of info you might give me

And sorry for my long post

Thank you, Tim

Hey Tim, welcome to the forum!

You might want to check out Jaime's screaming series he just started (http://www.screaminglessons.com)

Check out the vocal demos before you buy it, but from what I've heard it seems ideal for what you're after! I'd try it myself but I'm looking for a different kind of grit, so I'm waiting for the next volume!

Also check out the MP3s in the members section of Jaime's website for more explanation of the For Hard Rockers section.

Main tip with any kind of grit is to always feel it in the soft pallet and not down in the throat. If it hurts, it's wrong!

Hope this helped!

Hey Harris thank you for your reply

However I'm not looking for screaming at all

I'm not a fan of screaming

ALL I WANT IN THIS WORLD THATS ALL I WANT IS THE GENE SIMMONS TONE ON LIU

If I could get even half of that rawness for my voice I would sprout wings and fly of happiness

I wish I could manipulate my voice so to feel the sensation in the soft palate however I can't control that

Maybe I should just sing along with some Slade songs so I can kind of experiment with my voice to achieve a similar tone?

Grit and rasp are the same in my opinion.

Can you make the raspy tone you want even if it hurts? or is it that you cannot make the raspy tone AT ALL?

send me a sample of your singing on jiyasa@hotmail.com

Grit = rasp ok Thank you Phil!!!

I'm searching all over Google right now and a lot of people say that rasp is something natural you either have it or you don't. Jaime says in his book that that is nonsense, so I'm convinced it's something that I can apply to my clean voice, like distortion on a guitar.

I've read a lot on it, and I never really get the sensation I have to get.

"Sing from the diaphragm and feel the resonance in your soft palate." "Apply the Power Push" Something like that...I'm just gonna keep experimenting and I'll report here when I make progress

And Phil I can get that raspy tone but it's by grunting and I understand that that is the LAST thing I need to do to my voice

I wish I could send you a sample but I'm in a hotel in Germany right now on a public computer, so no mic grrrr

But it's basically just clean singing really
Thanks for your help now I know that grit is the same so I'm gonna yaaaay and push and feel the soft palate sensation like Jaime says, even though it's hard to get

I realised you meant grit or rasp and not screaming - that's what I'm after too! Sorry, I should have mentioned: Jaime teaches that it is all created in essentially the same way which is why I mentioned the screaminglessons website!

Sorry for the vague post! Haha

HOLY MOTHER OF F YALL

I FINALLY GOT THAT GRITTY SENSATION AGAINST THE SOFT PALATE/BACK OF MA THROAT

So I was watching the Essential Element #1-Technique.wmv Youtube video on Jaime's channel over and over and around the 5:40 mark, Jaime does the grit, and I tried really hard to imitate it, AND I GOT IT!!!!!

So what I did was kinda aim my resonance/voice with a kind of an angle to the back of my throat/soft palate

I aimed it there

And I got the grit sensation finally!!!! ****! I feel it in the back of my throat, right above the vocal cords, not down in the throat, so I feel no strain in my throat

words cant describe my happiness thanks Jaime for that video it really explains a lot!!

So I guess now I gotta roll with it and develop it from here, keep practicing it till I can apply it to ma singing, its not perfect yet, but its there, its a start

**** thanks a lot guys It was kind of hard to understand what sensation you have to feel but I got it

well done mate. you are right to be thinking of your voice like a guitar, adding distortion etc. think of your voice like a guitar and things start makign sense.

Congrats!