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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

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Re: Getting into headvoice

When you say 'Head Voice' are you referring to that which Speech Level Singing teach? If so, it's just a confusion of terminology...What we (or most of us who use Jaime's method) refer to as Falsetto is your head voice.

The main confusion is that falsetto is typically seen as a very breathy, light tone - When doing the falsetto exercises, Jaime teaches to make it as light as possible without adding the breathy quality.

Belting, I'm not too sure on so I can't help you there but I BELIEVE it is just terminology for full voice (10 / 10 on the scale of resonance and volume). I expect someone to correct me there as that is a guess!

Re: Getting into headvoice

hey husky,

according to the book the two tonalities seem to be falsetto and full voice so when i say headvoice...i'm referring to hitting notes in the upper register in full voice

Re: Getting into headvoice

i have no idea what is or isn't falsetto. because if you take a light falsetto in your low register it'll sound the same as a light full voice in your low register. now do a light falsetto in your higher range, and now do a light full voice in your higher range. its the same.

i prefer to think in dynamics, power/volume rather than falsetto and full voice. i believe in working softly to smooth out your voice so it has no breaks on a light level, then work on pulling the chest voice for power and passing into your head voice as late as possible again without any noticeable break. once you can do both of those extremes, the songs you sing will dictate how hard or soft you use your voice, which means if its soft you'll be bridging into head voice
earlier.

BUT REMEMBER: TERMINOLOGY NEEDS TO HELP YOU. IF IT IS CONFUSING YOU, THROW IT AWAY AND PICK IT UP AGAIN WHEN IT HELPS YOU. THE MAIN THING IS THAT YOU ARE JUST TRAINING

. you say you want to find head voice. in my opinion you've already foudn it because you do falsetto slides. if you swell that volume loudly it'll sound just like full voice, if its after c5 in my opinion, before c5 it may sound like your swelling volume but still in a weak tone and hit a wall, then you flip from that wall into a harder full voice. but once you get good that wall disapears and it all becomes ONE VOICE, meaning you don't worry abouta ny of this terminology anymore.

building power is incremental and notes that you had to hit in a headier tone before will soon be able to be hit in your chestier voice. it really really really is about just practicing those exercises and SINGING HEAPS, really SINGING HEAPS. BELIEVE me when i tell you this confusion of head and full voice and falsetto just disappears when you put some solid trianing in consitently. the best thing i can tell you is: get a cd of your favourite artist, and work those songs, WORK WORK WORK them. and copy the DYNAMICS of the singer, what notes do you need to sing SOFT and what do you need to sing HARD, mimic them. At first the higher HARD notes will only be down softly, over time you can hit them in your chestier voice like i pointed out above.

light singing also. whe you can't sing loudly (around people or wahtever etc) then sing lightly. meaning, no stress, no strain, go into falsetto do whatever, just sing lightly. this is one of THE BEST things you can do to improve your voice. thinking in falsetto makes you not want to train it, don't think in falsetto, just think ONE VOICE, loud or soft. ONE VOICE, whatever you train on that ONE VOICe improves that ONE VOICE.
when you think in two seperate voices you tend to think that training will only improve that one segment which is false!

Re: Getting into headvoice

Couldn't have put that better myself!

The only way to achieve full voice in head voice is to do what Phil said, just remember to practice A LOT! You can't expect to achieve a decent voice without hours and hours of practice! Not saying you don't do this (I don't know if you do or not!) but by getting it drilled into you, it might help (I know it helped me!)

Re: Getting into headvoice

Hey Phil and Husky,

Thanks for helping out and calrifying things. The EEE exercise is awesome, after doing it I feel like my voice sounds even more resonant and I hit an F without any strain at all

Re: Getting into headvoice

You could try twang. Say twaNG, NGGGGG! Do a twang siren. It can be very loud and resonant. "Twanging" can sound annoying and "over-twanging" can even distort the sound but twang in general can help you to get power for your voice. Twang is a similar concept that James Lugo refers as a pharyngeal voice in the RYV book.

Re: Getting into headvoice

So you're saying I should focus on connecting the voice then right?

I notice that when I do the lip bubble scale that Jaime uploads, i'm able to hit some of the notes in full voice and then I suddenly flip into falsetto...I just feel like i'm unable to understand the muscle coordination to keep going with a connected voice and thats what frustrates me

Re: Getting into headvoice

you've been doing this for only a month and a half. don't start changing your program because thats the reason why people stop getting results. skill development is based on repeated exercises done over a consistent amount of time.

stick with the exercises:
- falsetto slide
- transcending tone
- ee scream
- siren
- SINGING

you stated that you have already seen results. results come in little increments each month. stick with your program.

i'll give you an analogy:

most weightlifters believe they "plateu" on a training routine after about 4-6 weeks, so they change their training routine, and start getting results again. here's the problem: they never actually get STRONGER. what happens is, it takes your nervous system about 4-6 weeks to "warm into" the weightlifting. so the strength gains you get in the first month and a bit aren't actually TRUE MUSCLE gains, they are PRACTICE/WARMUP gains of your nervous system. the true muscle gains come AFTER this 4-6 week period, results slow down and come in small increments, but most people think its a PLATEAU so they SWITCH PROGRAMs, then they have to undergo this "warmup" once again for 4-6 weeks! What happens is in one years time, they are still lifting the same weight they were a year ago!

stick to your program for 2 more months and see if your voice is better or not.

Re: Getting into headvoice

Lip bubble exercise is difficult for some and I'm one of them. You could try tongue roll instead of. Or support your cheeks with fingers to check if that help with lip bubbles.

Did you try twang (NG, focus on G) siren?

Check also this page: http://www.youtube.com/user/vocalpoweruk

Re: Getting into headvoice

I meant that it was the getting to the pitches which I have trouble with...i've been doing lip bubbles for a while...

n yeah i've been trying some of those NG sirens too...they're pretty good too...i can tell that the resonance is somewhere else when I do it...n thanks for the link capehill

Re: Getting into headvoice

I personally found the biggest challenge in trying to access head voice to be imagining what my voice would sound like in that register to know what to aim for. Private lessons would help that part greatly, I bet.

Re: Getting into headvoice

Hey Alkis, yeah lately i've been just trying to push my voice to higher pitches but you're right..i can't really imagine what it would sound like...so i'm just not sure whether its head voice or falsetto i'm doing...its difficult for me to tell

Re: Getting into headvoice

Even though falsetto and head voice are vague concepts, it's often said that falsetto is not connected. So when you are in high voice, try to slide down and check how connected you are to your chest voice. Some teachers talk about "one voice" which I have interpreted as having the same tonality over the range.