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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Re: My quest for the "rock voice"

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Well I wasn´t trying to accuse anyone for complaining, nor make a technical point, I know you may work with SS and get the results you want, that´s fine I think the program it´s good, but I was talking about SS strictly as a method to get a KIND of sound.

For most of what I´ve heard from people demonstrating the kind of sound you´ll get from SS I think it´s perfectly suitable for rock. Breaking the chains (a rock singing program) will get you the same results. (distortion not included BTW)

If you prefer any other program than SS to get a better shouty distorted "rock sound" that´s fine, again, I´m not doing accusations.


I guess SS could be used for a rock sound, as long as you add the support that is needed. Like I previously mentioned, I had an SS coach for awhile, and I think it actually hurt my voice instead of making things easier. I don't like the concept of holding back on "power notes" lol. It seemed like I was straining more to keep the notes quiet, when I could easily belt them out at ease with no straining. Plus I was told that the louder you sing, it makes you go flat...which is nonsense. I walked after that, lol.

Re: My quest for the "rock voice"

Derek,

Nice clips!

From a CVT point of view you are actually never in a "clean/centered" Curbing. You are in-between modes (Curbing and Overdrive). When this happens you'll experience the rasp or what CVT would call creaking. On your c4-c5 slide you change to being in-between Curbing and Neutral on the higher notes.

Re: My quest for the "rock voice"

Phil, I practice Mastering Mix, along with Raise Your Voice and Breaking the Chains, and I am looking for the exact same thing you are looking for. I find the same feeling with SS-style exercises,where there is a very light head voice/mix, but only by its feeling. It doesn't sound quite exactly like falsetto by the fact that it's not as breathy, but still sounds very heady In a performance setting, I can easily go pretty loud with little strain on high notes anywhere from G4 to E5, but I also live (well I switch between a house and a unit on weekends) in a unit and I want to be able to have notes above G4 sound light, but still full at a low volume. I know Brett Manning can do this because in many audio tracks in the program and even videos on youtube, he demonstrates a rounded sounding head voice. Basically I guess we are looking for the ability to utilize our voices' range with different levels of volume and intensity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtcp6yBb-nk

Check this video out. I'm pretty sure I have control over adducted head voice and falsetto in my voice, but I have difficulty making that light head voice sound fuller without sounding too full, so to say.