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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Re: Jaime's low-grit exercise

jonpalls post was a good one, just wanted to mention something about practicing and how skill development works: it works on RACKED UP CONSISTENT SESSIONS OF THE SAME THING. So you may feel like in one session you couldnt get the result you wanted, but do the same routine the next day and i think you will find some progress. its almost like the progress happens when you return the next time, one off sessions dont seem to do anything on their own until you do a second session. i know this wasnt an exact answer to your question but i know that when i started approaching skill development with this mindset i started making great gains (applies to everything) i started changing my approach to this after years of not making gains in weightlifting. then i applied this mindset to all my skills and it worked. before i was just doing some lifts, then the next session i would do different lifts and wouldnt be consistent with my routine, things need to be done as a proper ROUTINE. but progress doesnt occur like a linear ramp, its more of a 2 step forward 1 step back thing for example: vocal range. in one month of practicing vocal range your range probably will not ramp up linearly, it will be bumpy like a stock graph, up down up up down down up up up etc. so i am not annoyed if i lose 1 or 2 notes the next day because i understand that the important comparison is in one months time, not today or yesterday.

Re: Jaime's low-grit exercise

Great answer, Phil!

Re: Jaime's low-grit exercise

Thanks a lot for your answers!
A lot of helpful words.

The one thing that bugs me the most is that the grit gets stuck in the throat (the grunt-sensation). Sometimes when i do high screams I gte the placement right, but as soon as I try to actually sing gritty, it feels like swallowing sand paper. Not very pleasant at all.

and I have this idea that if I grasp the low grit exercise, the rest will pretty much fall into place.
But I can't seem to find it.

Re: Jaime's low-grit exercise

Okey, so here's an update:

still no real progress on achieving the low grit sound.
I ALWAYS end up with the choked grunt = ouch.

But I just stumbled over something roday. In one example, Jaime demonstrates a grit that's lika sigh. Pretty breathy, but with the rumbling sensation in the soft palate. And I discovered that I can do this sound.
It's not a pretty sound! but it feels like I'm finding the placement.

It doesnät hurt, although I use a lot of air, so my throat gets kind of dry after a while.

Could this be a way of finding the right placement for the cleaner, non-breathy grit?

I recorded an example of this breathy "sigh" grit.

http://www.box.net/shared/pq874mj8xp

Any ideas or advice is highly appreciated!